Yeah, but don't forget the 'rogue' machines I'm trying to find out
provably don't have a default gateway configured.

My current IP address is 192.168.69.111

I have a machine connected to the same hub as I am, with the IP
10.10.10.10 and no default gateway

There's no way I can make LANGuard see that machine unless:

1- I have an IP of the same subnet
2- I correctly configure TCP/IP on that machine.

This totally defeats my purpose! I was thinking it was possible to send
a broadcast and receiving information about all machines connected to
the network, even if they had a different subnet and no gateway!

Filipe Joel de Almeida
Network Consultant
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mobile: +351 967819600


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of King, John
Sent: segunda-feira, 22 de Abril de 2002 21:14
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Network discovery

I am not sure how Etherpeek works, but with a basic sniffer you will see
an
IP address of some sort.  Which from what you said sounds like what you
see.


Now for example, say that you see the IP address 192.168.1.127 in your
sniffer program.  

Open LANguard or any other network scanner and for an address range put
in
192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.254 ...  Get it?  Now the scanner will scan all
of
the addresses in between and show you which ones are live..  Just look
for
the first three numbers of the octet and put 1-254 at the end..  Does
that
help?  Maybe you already understood this..?  All that the sniffer will
do is
point you in the proper direction, by showing you the 'active' IPs on
your
network.  Then you have to scan the full subnet ranger with a scanner to
find out what IPs are really being used.. 

Good Luck

   ~John

~~~Snort, sniffing packets not glue~~~ 

-----Original Message-----
From: Filipe Joel de Almeida [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 4:06 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Network discovery


Well, with etherpeek I can only see information packet by packet, and
nothing shows up on the nodes or protocols tab... any help on how to use
all the data I have already captured to give me a list of all the IP
addresses?

With Languard, it requires me to specify witch IP's to scan, but I don't
know that!!

Am I messing up somewhere?

Filipe Joel de Almeida
Network Consultant
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mobile: +351 967819600


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Allhiser
Sent: segunda-feira, 22 de Abril de 2002 20:41
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Network discovery

Ahh.  You can let the sniffer run for a while.  This will let you know
who is
doing what on your network.

For a simple list of addresses, try a simple scanner:
http://www.gfi.com/lannetscan/index.htm

This, of course depends on what hosts are running at the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Filipe Joel de Almeida [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:42 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Network discovery


I've installed the demo version, and it allows me to see packet by
packet what's
the source address and the destination address, but it seems there's no
way of
just getting a list of all the addresses.

Filipe Joel de Almeida
Network Consultant
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mobile: +351 967819600


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Allhiser
Sent: segunda-feira, 22 de Abril de 2002 19:13
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Network discovery

Depending on the hardware you connect the sniffer to a mirrored or
spanned port.
the port effectively becomes a hub.

-----Original Message-----
From: Filipe Joel de Almeida [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:09 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Network discovery


Thanks, I'll look it out. 

What If I was connected by switches, what could I do to do this?

Filipe Joel de Almeida
Network Consultant
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mobile: +351 967819600


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Allhiser
Sent: segunda-feira, 22 de Abril de 2002 18:52
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Network discovery

Yes.  Especially since you are connected by hubs.

www.wildpackets.com  

-----Original Message-----
From: Filipe Joel de Almeida [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 1:01 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Network discovery


Is that software able to sniff my network and find all active IP
addresses in
any subnet? If so, where can I get it?

Filipe Joel de Almeida
Network Consultant
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mobile: +351 967819600


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Allhiser
Sent: segunda-feira, 22 de Abril de 2002 18:46
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Network discovery

I use and like Wild Packets EtherPeek. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Filipe Joel de Almeida [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:50 PM
To: NT 2000 Discussions
Subject: RE: Network discovery


> If you network is as disastrous as it sounds, then you may not know
what 
> IP ranges are being used.  If that is the case maybe a TCP sniffer
could 
> shed some light on what IPs are on the network.

You are right! That is specifically what Is happening! Isn't there any
good
sniffer that could tell me what IP's are running around on my network? I
can't
seem to be able to make windump work!






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