Yeah, I'm of the school one should be able to communicate, effectively, about their work experience. Asking the right questions usually weeds out the undesirables. Although, I do like the idea of the portfolio - never seen one in this field though - it sounds like a good idea.
From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Tech Resume I interview differently than that... I'm not looking for you to refer to your portfolio. If you tell me you have said experience, I am going to ask you to expound on that "without" opening your portfolio... On Jan 23, 2008 8:04 AM, Joe Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is a leather bound 3 ring book/binder with specific project samples/plates, my letters of recommendations, certifications, accreditations, etc. I bring it with me to every interview. When an interviewer starts bringing up some aspect of the job, I can just turn to that section of my portfolio and have proof that I've done the work that I've said I've done. It's really no different than an artist or a fashion designer's portfolio - it showcases my work. -Joe From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Tech Resume I'd be interested in seeing what you mean by your portfolio? Is this some huge document, showing specific project experiences? It's an interesting idea, but I'm wondering how you would actually use it. Do you bring it with you to an interview? Or do you mention it in your cover letter perhaps? Joe Heaton _____ From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Tech Resume I guess that you missed my post that said that my resume was just the "Table of Contents" to my portfolio that I've amassed over 15 years. And if you are wondering what I'm hiding, isn't that generating interest in your mind? Which is the point of a resume - generate enough interest to get in for an interview. From my experience with people, just the fact that I might be hiding something would be enough for some people to grant an interview, just to find out if I was hiding anything. People are interesting creatures. -Joe From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Tech Resume I've held one job in my entire career based on someone I knew... All others have been via the three things you mention below using a 2-3 page resume... Recruiters can and will look out for your interests if you have perceived value (the more experience you have, the more you're worth, the more they get paid to place you) though I have only used them twice. However, that's not to say I haven't hired based on networking because I have numerous times. There is no science... It's all about catching ones attention with the resume and getting that first interview and selling yourself... And a 1 pager with 15 years experience... All that will do is make me ask myself what you are hiding... On Jan 23, 2008 7:23 AM, Joe Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 75% of all jobs obtained are not obtained through classifieds, job search engines, or recruiters. They are obtained my networking. Most of the time it's about who you know, and more importantly, who they know. I've done some extensive networking in the past and it has really paid off for me. I really don't like using recruiters, as they aren't looking out for my interests, but just their commission from putting someone in a position. Just my $0.02 -Joe From: MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Tech Resume I've never heard of a 1 page technical resume but I guess it all depends. I don't see how that can be effective with the way recruiters scan and process resumes. I've found over the years that most of the recruiters don't even read the resume and instead scan it based on the buzz words specified by the client. They then call you up and ask you questions that they may have found had they simply read the resume. From here a determination is made on whether your info is forwarded to the client. So I say instead of limiting yourself, sell yourself because in the end all the recruiter is trying to do is line up as many cadidates that are necessary to grab that business. There's no such thing as "the perfect resume". You may get lucky and run into a batch of recruiters that know what you want but again why limit yourself. Just be conservative about how you describe your skillsets and experiences. I've found that bullet points are a lot more effective than sentences that run long when trying to explain a project or task. In the end it comes down to your own judgement and how much info you're trying to publish. I say treat yourself like a hot porche in a classified ad containing 100 other porches. hth On Jan 23, 2008 9:01 AM, Mike Semon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Different employers and recruiters have different preferences for type and format of resume. I sat down with a technical recruiter, who is a friend of mine, who helped me craft mine. It is worth the time to have a professional look at your resume and give guidance. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Tech Resume I guess that's because I'm not using a hybrid or chronological resume, but rather a functional resume. I don't list specific job experience, but rather the skills that I've used on those jobs in the last 15 years. -Joe -----Original Message----- From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Tech Resume I agree with most things you have said except the one page resume. The recruiters that I have spoken with say it is ok to use 2-3 pages if you have the experience. You don't want your resume to be a novel, however, you don't want to exclude relevant experience. I have 12 yrs exp and there is no way I can cover that in 1 page. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Tech Resume Joseph: Resumes, even in a tech field, should be limited to 1 page in this day and age. Bullet points take up valuable page real estate, where you could be listing KSA's (Knowledge, Skills(both technical and transferrable), and Attributes). And for the love of <Deity> don't put "References will be provided upon request." Of course a potential employer will request references prior to an interview, no need to waste important space on the paper. One more resume killer - templates. Don't use them. Spend some time on crafting your resume. Potential employers can tell the difference. They have a tendency to pass by the template resumes. Also, if you are anything like me, and already in a career, and know what direction it is going in, there is no need for a Career Objective, that can be replaced with a Summary of Qualifications. If you'd like, I can send a copy of my resume (which in my current Portfolio and Professional Procedures class netted me a grade of a 100 and 5 interviews thus far) to you offline. Joe Fox Systems Administrator The McGuire Group Office# (716) 826-2010 ext: 1172 Mobile# (716) 846-9308 The materials in this e-mail are private and may contain Protected Health Information. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that any unauthorized use, disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender via telephone at 716-829-1978 or by return e-mail. -----Original Message----- From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Tech Resume Hey marvin, If you don't mind could you forward me a copy offline too? Thanks.. -----Original Message----- From: "MarvinC" < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]> Sent: 1/22/08 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Tech Resume Bullet points! I'll be more than happy to send over a copy of mine as an example. It's kinda long because I try to force the recruiters to read it but they don't so I just fill it with buzz words which is all they scan on. On Jan 22, 2008 6:32 PM, Joseph L. Casale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been saying I need a new job for so long now, I don't believe myself > anymore... I am in a unique environment that's just truly bad for my career > and I need to make a change. For the last ~13 years, I have been in the tech > field and want to up the ante and get out of the small business arena, so I > am looking online for resume examples and could use a pointer. I've only had > two jobs in all that time and neither needed a resume so needless to say, > I'm starting from scratch! > > > > Any pointers would be most appreciated! > jlc > > > > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> > ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> > ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> > ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> > ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> > ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> > ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~
