Precisely... The portfolio does sound interesting...
On Jan 23, 2008 8:27 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, I'm of the school one should be able to communicate, effectively, > about their work experience. Asking the right questions usually weeds out > the undesirables. Although, I do like the idea of the portfolio – never > seen one in this field though – it sounds like a good idea. > > > > *From:* Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:14 AM > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Tech Resume > > > > > I interview differently than that... I'm not looking for you to refer to > your portfolio. If you tell me you have said experience, I am going to ask > you to expound on that "without" opening your portfolio... > > On Jan 23, 2008 8:04 AM, Joe Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It is a leather bound 3 ring book/binder with specific project > samples/plates, my letters of recommendations, certifications, > accreditations, etc. > > > > I bring it with me to every interview. When an interviewer starts > bringing up some aspect of the job, I can just turn to that section of my > portfolio and have proof that I've done the work that I've said I've done. > > > > It's really no different than an artist or a fashion designer's portfolio > – it showcases my work. > > > > -Joe > > > > *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:57 AM > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Tech Resume > > > > > > I'd be interested in seeing what you mean by your portfolio? Is this some > huge document, showing specific project experiences? It's an interesting > idea, but I'm wondering how you would actually use it. Do you bring it with > you to an interview? Or do you mention it in your cover letter perhaps? > > > > Joe Heaton > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:41 AM > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Tech Resume > > > > > > I guess that you missed my post that said that my resume was just the > "Table of Contents" to my portfolio that I've amassed over 15 years. > > > > And if you are wondering what I'm hiding, isn't that generating interest > in your mind? Which is the point of a resume – generate enough interest to > get in for an interview. From my experience with people, just the fact that > I might be hiding something would be enough for some people to grant an > interview, just to find out if I was hiding anything. > > > > People are interesting creatures. > > > > -Joe > > > > *From:* Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2008 10:30 AM > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Tech Resume > > > > > > I've held one job in my entire career based on someone I knew... All > others have been via the three things you mention below using a 2-3 page > resume... > > > > Recruiters can and will look out for your interests if you have perceived > value (the more experience you have, the more you're worth, the more they > get paid to place you) though I have only used them twice. However, that's > not to say I haven't hired based on networking because I have numerous > times. > > > > There is no science... It's all about catching ones attention with the > resume and getting that first interview and selling yourself... And a 1 > pager with 15 years experience... All that will do is make me ask myself > what you are hiding... > > On Jan 23, 2008 7:23 AM, Joe Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > 75% of all jobs obtained are not obtained through classifieds, job search > engines, or recruiters. They are obtained my networking. > > > > Most of the time it's about who you know, and more importantly, who they > know. > > > > I've done some extensive networking in the past and it has really paid off > for me. I really don't like using recruiters, as they aren't looking out > for my interests, but just their commission from putting someone in a > position. > > > > Just my $0.02 > > > > -Joe > > > > *From:* MarvinC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:53 AM > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > > *Subject:* Re: Tech Resume > > > > > > I've never heard of a 1 page technical resume but I guess it all depends. > I don't see how that can be effective with the way recruiters scan and > process resumes. I've found over the years that most of the recruiters don't > even read the resume and instead scan it based on the buzz words specified > by the client. They then call you up and ask you questions that they may > have found had they simply read the resume. From here a determination is > made on whether your info is forwarded to the client. So I say instead of > limiting yourself, sell yourself because in the end all the recruiter is > trying to do is line up as many cadidates that are necessary to grab that > business. There's no such thing as "the perfect resume". You may get lucky > and run into a batch of recruiters that know what you want but again why > limit yourself. Just be conservative about how you describe your skillsets > and experiences. I've found that bullet points are a lot more effective than > sentences that run long when trying to explain a project or task. In the end > it comes down to your own judgement and how much info you're trying to > publish. > > I say treat yourself like a hot porche in a classified ad containing 100 > other porches. > > > > hth > > On Jan 23, 2008 9:01 AM, Mike Semon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Different employers and recruiters have different preferences for type and > format of resume. I sat down with a technical recruiter, who is a friend > of > mine, who helped me craft mine. It is worth the time to have a > professional > look at your resume and give guidance. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:52 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Tech Resume > > I guess that's because I'm not using a hybrid or chronological resume, but > rather a functional resume. I don't list specific job experience, but > rather the skills that I've used on those jobs in the last 15 years. > > -Joe > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Semon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:47 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Tech Resume > > I agree with most things you have said except the one page resume. The > recruiters that I have spoken with say it is ok to use 2-3 pages if you > have the experience. You don't want your resume to be a novel, however, > you don't want to exclude relevant experience. I have 12 yrs exp and > there is no way I can cover that in 1 page. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:33 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Tech Resume > > Joseph: > > Resumes, even in a tech field, should be limited to 1 page in this day and > age. > > Bullet points take up valuable page real estate, where you could be > listing > KSA's (Knowledge, Skills(both technical and transferrable), and > Attributes). > > And for the love of <Deity> don't put "References will be provided upon > request." Of course a potential employer will request references prior to > an interview, no need to waste important space on the paper. > > One more resume killer - templates. Don't use them. Spend some time on > crafting your resume. Potential employers can tell the difference. They > have a tendency to pass by the template resumes. > > Also, if you are anything like me, and already in a career, and know what > direction it is going in, there is no need for a Career Objective, that > can > be replaced with a Summary of Qualifications. > > If you'd like, I can send a copy of my resume (which in my current > Portfolio > and Professional Procedures class netted me a grade of a 100 and 5 > interviews thus far) to you offline. > > > Joe Fox > Systems Administrator > > The McGuire Group > Office# (716) 826-2010 ext: 1172 > Mobile# (716) 846-9308 > > The materials in this e-mail are private and may contain Protected Health > Information. If you are not the intended recipient be advised that any > unauthorized use, disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any > action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately > notify the sender via telephone at 716-829-1978 or by return e-mail. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chyka, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:46 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: RE: Tech Resume > > Hey marvin, > > If you don't mind could you forward me a copy offline too? > > Thanks.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "MarvinC" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]> > Sent: 1/22/08 6:39 PM > > Subject: Re: Tech Resume > > Bullet points! > I'll be more than happy to send over a copy of mine as an example. It's > kinda long because I try to force the recruiters to read it but they don't > > so I just fill it with buzz words which is all they scan on. > > > > On Jan 22, 2008 6:32 PM, Joseph L. Casale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > I've been saying I need a new job for so long now, I don't believe > myself > > anymore... I am in a unique environment that's just truly bad for my > career > > and I need to make a change. For the last ~13 years, I have been in the > tech > > field and want to up the ante and get out of the small business arena, > so > I > > am looking online for resume examples and could use a pointer. I've only > had > > two jobs in all that time and neither needed a resume so needless to > say, > > I'm starting from scratch! > > > > > > > > Any pointers would be most appreciated! > > jlc > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm > ~ > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm > ~ > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm > ~ > > > > > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm > ~ > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm > ~ > > > > > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm > ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~
