Hi Jim, My wife is a SAD at Euro RSCG, which is one of the world's top 5 ad agencies. I know plenty about "Macs in ad agencies"
But what I find surprising is all you guys that think that Photoshop is somehow faster on current Intel Macs, yet have no idea why it's so much better. Surely if you could work that out you could have much faster PCs as well. These days it's the same memory, the same chipsets, the same CPU, the same disks, the same graphics cards. 6-10 years ago we could have argued about PowerPC versus Pentiums, but these days the hardware is the same. Redrawing an image works the same on both platforms. The only difference would be in the OS. Cheers Ken From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 10:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC? In typical use, they are not faster imho. So there is no switch to flick. However if you use them professionally in areas that they shine they are faster. I did six years in a big advertising agency, and still do the support for my brother in-law's agency. And at the same time we have a big Mac lab here for the students to learn CS3/4 and video editing. Open PhotoShop with four or five big high res tiff's and open a 60 page color corporate report in In-Design (that is pretty much complete) and link the photo's into the InDesign document. Then start retouching the images. Big adjustments like noise reduction and so on and bounce back and forth as you do each image and adjust the placement of the images and force the 60 pages to reflow......you will quickly see the difference between a Mac and a PC in this scenario. And what I describe is the typical day to day use of a Mac in an advertising agency, and that is where they are faster. Unlike you, I hate Macs and it is the primary reason I got out of IT in the Advertising industry but there are some things they do better, much better. However I don't think it is a Mac vs PC issue as much as it is a long term cooperative effort between the Mac OS writers and Adobe. Lets face it, MS does not have a great reputation for cooperating with other software vendors. ________________________________ From: Ken Schaefer [[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC? Let me just add - I have nothing against Macs. I forked out $3k out of my own pocket for the two machines I have at home (not including new versions of OSX etc). I like them. I just don't see why they are any faster than any other machine I have. And if they are - and someone can give me a proper explanation *how* - I'd like to flick whatever "go faster" switch I need to. Cheers Ken From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 10:29 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC? From: Eric Brouwer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 19 December 2008 12:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT - Anyone VM a Mac Leopard OS on a PC? The fact that I can run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Flash, and Illustrator at the same time makes ME feel like it's more optimized. I can also run Firefox with 15-20 tabs open at all times, plus my mail client, my FTP client, some utility apps, a chat program, etc. All at the same time. Never even a slight hesitation in performance of any kind. I can barely run DW and PS together on my PC. Then I think there is something wrong with your PC, if there's such a difference between the two. I have Photoshop open right now on my PC (just a coincidence) and a bunch of other apps (it's a Dell XPS 420) and I don't have any problems. What is stopping you running these two apps on your PC? Disk I/O? CPU? Running out of RAM? I'm trying to get some *facts* here. We're supposed to be relatively scientific people. We should be approaching these things trying to determine root cause. We don't buy networking gear from Vendor X because it seems you can run a web browser and FTP client at the same time, but if you buy from Vendor Y you're struggling to download two webpages at the same time. I LIKE PCs. Like the majority of us here, I make my money ON and WITH PCs. For my network administration stuff, I use an IBM ThinkPad running Vista. I even defend Vista. I don't have a fraction of the problems the masses like to report. It's a decent OS, in MY opinion. BUT, I enjoy the Mac experience a great deal more. Physics aside, yes, I do think the Mac "moves 1s and 0s" around faster. If you want me to say it, I'll say it. I PREFER the Mac experience to my Windows experience because of it's performance. And the question here is /why/ is your Mac performance so strikingly different? How is my defense of Macs, saying their optimized, less accurate than the statement that they're simply generic white boxes? I'm not claiming they are generic white boxes. I'm saying that the design, and the hardware testing that goes into them is no different to what you can get from other brands (Dell, HP, IBM etc). Someone else made the claim about "white boxes". And I didn't realize Mac was the only OS burdened with updates. I could have sworn I've had to run updates on my PC once or twice in the past. No, the "off the cuff" remark I was making was about the *size* of the patches. Seems every app patch is almost a complete reinstallation of the app. A lot seem to be in the 50-100MB size. I didn't want to make a big deal about it - it was just humour on the side. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
