Can I borrow your rock? I need to throw it at someone. - WJR
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 16:50, Don Ely <[email protected]> wrote: > My rock is shinier than your rock.... Neener neener neener!!!! > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Three points: >> >> - Please substantiate your allegation that HP support for networking is >> somehow inferior because you're not paying for an expensive support >> contact. (I've spoken to quite a few techs from both organizations) >> >> - I mentioned that Cisco had more failures *percentage-wise*. I did not >> make the comparison on sheer number of incidents, as that would have been >> skewed by market share. >> >> - Please provide me a use-case where a Cisco switch is proven to provide >> some functionality that an HP ProCurve cannot accomplish without incurring >> costs our complexity that negate the cost differential. >> >> You've already agreed with the equality of quality. >> >> These are all part of the value proposition. >> >> -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker <http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker> >> >> Sent from my Motorola Droid >> >> On Sep 16, 2010 4:49 PM, "Rohyans, Aaron" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I think you’re missing my point here… though I may not be clear enough. >> My point is one of support *value*, rather than support *cost*. Is HP >> cheaper than Cisco when it comes to support? … yes, hands down. Does HP >> provide the same level of support from a value perspective as Cisco? … I >> would have to say no. Again, *you get what you pay for*. You’re not >> paying for high value support… thus, HP will gladly throw new equipment your >> way and let you talk to a low-end tech all day long if it’ll make you >> happy. It’s worth it to them. Cisco, on the other hand, takes a different >> approach… you pay for support, but have access to a large pool of technical >> resources when things go awry… even access to the developers themselves. >> Keep in mind also that Cisco offers one of the best online documentation >> systems of any manufacturer in the world… becoming familiar with Cisco >> products is not hard… and it’s free. >> >> >> >> As to the price difference… we could argue features all day long… but how >> do you define “comparable” switches? Yes, both are Ethernet switches and >> both operate at 10/100/1000Gb… and if that’s all you’re after, then you >> shouldn’t be looking at Cisco. Cisco offers some of the most granular and >> technologically advanced features in their product lineup… “comparing” these >> two switches requires a baseline for comparison. To some, Cisco’s “cheap” >> in terms of what you get for the cost. To others they’re ungodly expensive, >> but those “others” typically aren’t concerned with the added features that >> you get with Cisco… thus HP makes the most sense, or any other vendor for >> that matter. >> >> >> >> HP is probably lower in overall device failures… but they have less than >> 20% of the switching market share. Compared to Cisco’s 70%, that would make >> sense. *I’m not arguing the “quality” of HP/Cisco switches here*. >> You’re right, both are rock solid! >> >> >> >> >> >> Aaron T. Rohyans >> Senior Network Engineer >> >> CCIE #21945 >> >> DPSciences Corporation >> 7400 N. Shadeland... >> >> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:04 PM >> >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: Switch opinions >> >> >> >> >> >> >>It’s a lame attempt to acquire market share by offering free support on >> the product line. >> >> ..... >> >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
