Will I get it back? I like to throw stones in a glass house... On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 8:14 PM, William Robbins <[email protected]>wrote:
> Can I borrow your rock? I need to throw it at someone. > > - WJR > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 16:50, Don Ely <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My rock is shinier than your rock.... Neener neener neener!!!! >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Three points: >>> >>> - Please substantiate your allegation that HP support for networking is >>> somehow inferior because you're not paying for an expensive support >>> contact. (I've spoken to quite a few techs from both organizations) >>> >>> - I mentioned that Cisco had more failures *percentage-wise*. I did not >>> make the comparison on sheer number of incidents, as that would have been >>> skewed by market share. >>> >>> - Please provide me a use-case where a Cisco switch is proven to provide >>> some functionality that an HP ProCurve cannot accomplish without incurring >>> costs our complexity that negate the cost differential. >>> >>> You've already agreed with the equality of quality. >>> >>> These are all part of the value proposition. >>> >>> -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker <http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker> >>> >>> Sent from my Motorola Droid >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2010 4:49 PM, "Rohyans, Aaron" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think you’re missing my point here… though I may not be clear enough. >>> My point is one of support *value*, rather than support *cost*. Is HP >>> cheaper than Cisco when it comes to support? … yes, hands down. Does HP >>> provide the same level of support from a value perspective as Cisco? … I >>> would have to say no. Again, *you get what you pay for*. You’re not >>> paying for high value support… thus, HP will gladly throw new equipment your >>> way and let you talk to a low-end tech all day long if it’ll make you >>> happy. It’s worth it to them. Cisco, on the other hand, takes a different >>> approach… you pay for support, but have access to a large pool of technical >>> resources when things go awry… even access to the developers themselves. >>> Keep in mind also that Cisco offers one of the best online documentation >>> systems of any manufacturer in the world… becoming familiar with Cisco >>> products is not hard… and it’s free. >>> >>> >>> >>> As to the price difference… we could argue features all day long… but how >>> do you define “comparable” switches? Yes, both are Ethernet switches and >>> both operate at 10/100/1000Gb… and if that’s all you’re after, then you >>> shouldn’t be looking at Cisco. Cisco offers some of the most granular and >>> technologically advanced features in their product lineup… “comparing” these >>> two switches requires a baseline for comparison. To some, Cisco’s “cheap” >>> in terms of what you get for the cost. To others they’re ungodly expensive, >>> but those “others” typically aren’t concerned with the added features that >>> you get with Cisco… thus HP makes the most sense, or any other vendor for >>> that matter. >>> >>> >>> >>> HP is probably lower in overall device failures… but they have less than >>> 20% of the switching market share. Compared to Cisco’s 70%, that would make >>> sense. *I’m not arguing the “quality” of HP/Cisco switches here*. >>> You’re right, both are rock solid! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Aaron T. Rohyans >>> Senior Network Engineer >>> >>> CCIE #21945 >>> >>> DPSciences Corporation >>> 7400 N. Shadeland... >>> >>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:04 PM >>> >>> >>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> Subject: Re: Switch opinions >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>It’s a lame attempt to acquire market share by offering free support on >>> the product line. >>> >>> ..... >>> >>> >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.c... >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to [email protected] >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
