+1 I even have a 10BaseT shared hub I'm forced to use on rare and special occasions...
Jeff Steward <[email protected]> wrote on 02/07/2011 09:15:26 AM: > Life is rarely so cut and dried as you make it out to be. As with > any decision, there are multiple inputs and risk assessments to be > made and sometimes, using an inexpensive unmanaged switch is the right choice. > > -Jeff Steward > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: > Required? Sometimes. > > More expensive up front? Yes. > > Valid or reasonable? I disagree. > > IMHO, being forced to use these tiny unmanaged switches shows a > decided lack of foresight on someone's part, and a lack of > understanding of their larger costs. > > Unless, perhaps, you're temporizing until a complete wireless solution > is being readied. :) > > Kurt > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 02:59, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > > "Install extra cabling" is a solution that has greater expense, and requires > > far more permission that "install unmanaged switch" in most circumstances. > > There are plenty of valid scenarios where you will not have the opportunity > > to add more network drops to a location, and for which the temporary or > > permanent deployment of unmanaged switches will be entirely reasonable. > > > > ASB (Find me online via About.Me) > > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:49 PM, James Hill <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> I'm with Kurt. Unmanaged switches are just trouble. Do it properly and > >> install extra cabling. > >> > >> Unmanaged switches have a habit of multiplying. I've been caught out one > >> too many times by a hidden one under a desk somewhere, usually when imaging > >> an entire floor with multicast or something when I don't have the time for > >> trouble. > >> > >> I've even seen one of these switches go nuts and flood a core switch so > >> much it brought the network to its knees. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Sunday, 6 February 2011 5:19 AM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches > >> > >> It's not just one mistake. > >> > >> I don't know what it is about my user population, but at least a couple of > >> times a year, and sometimes more often, I have to go chasing downsome idiot > >> (usually a software developer or hardware engineer) who has connected a > >> little switch to itself, or to another little switch. > >> > >> I'm really tired of it. > >> > >> Kurt > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 05:47, Ray <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > So because someone made a mistake you're condemning using them? > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 1:45 PM > >> > To: NT System Admin Issues > >> > Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches > >> > > >> > Don't. Just don't. > >> > > >> > Pull another run of cable if you have to. > >> > > >> > Desktop switches are just wrong. > >> > > >> > I speak from much experience here. > >> > > >> > > >> > Just last month, we shuffled a bunch of folks around, and the facilities > >> > guy was moving PCs and printers, and noticed that there was a loose cable > >> > attached to a 5-port switch. So, not knowing what else to do with it, he > >> > plugged it into the 5 port switch. Which meant that both ends > of the cable > >> > were in the same dumb, unmanaged, switch. > >> > That's your basic layer2 loop, right there. > >> > > >> > It killed performance for lots of people, until I tracked it down. > >> > > >> > I've had this happen so many times with stupid 5 and 8 port switches > >> > that if I could rip them all out I would do so in less time > than it takes to > >> > write about it. > >> > > >> > But, we now have so many of them, because our wiring is so sparse, that > >> > I can't. Yet. It's a major line item in the IT CAPEX budget fornext year. > >> > > >> > Kurt > >> > > >> > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:00, John Aldrich > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> One of my users just claimed an unused laser printer for his office > >> >> (Acct. > >> >> Manager) that has a network port on it as well as the usual USB. He'd > >> >> like to be able to network it so he can print to it from the AS/400. > >> >> What do you guys recommend for a small (4-5 port) network switch? > >> >> To anyone who wants to know, this is for real, looking for > >> >> recommendations for a RIGHT NOW purchase, not "next time." :-) > >> >> > >> >> Thanks! > >> >> > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > --- > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > or send an email to [email protected] > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. > com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. > com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
