*>>Notice that I did say "Required? Sometimes."* And then proceeded to articulate yourself right into a corner.
*>>You and Andrew, however, sometimes over-interpret my words.* Use less words, and use them in the same manner as the rest of the planet, and you'll find them harder to "over-interpret"*[1]*. And back up your words with real-world examples, and others will find more opportunity for agreement. *ASB *(Find me online via About.Me <http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio>) *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... * *[1] I won't even ask... * On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: > Life *is* usually as cut and dried as I make it out to be. You and > Andrew, however, sometimes over-interpret my words. > > Notice that I did say "Required? Sometimes." > > In particular, my time as a sysadmin is almost always worth more than > the difference between a cheap 5/8 port switch and a couple of ports > on, and some cabling to reach, a managed switch. > > Kurt > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 07:15, Jeff Steward <[email protected]> wrote: > > Life is rarely so cut and dried as you make it out to be. As with any > > decision, there are multiple inputs and risk assessments to be made and > > sometimes, using an inexpensive unmanaged switch is the right choice. > > -Jeff Steward > > > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Required? Sometimes. > >> > >> More expensive up front? Yes. > >> > >> Valid or reasonable? I disagree. > >> > >> IMHO, being forced to use these tiny unmanaged switches shows a > >> decided lack of foresight on someone's part, and a lack of > >> understanding of their larger costs. > >> > >> Unless, perhaps, you're temporizing until a complete wireless solution > >> is being readied. :) > >> > >> Kurt > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 02:59, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > "Install extra cabling" is a solution that has greater expense, and > >> > requires > >> > far more permission that "install unmanaged switch" in most > >> > circumstances. > >> > There are plenty of valid scenarios where you will not have the > >> > opportunity > >> > to add more network drops to a location, and for which the temporary > or > >> > permanent deployment of unmanaged switches will be entirely > reasonable. > >> > > >> > ASB (Find me online via About.Me) > >> > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:49 PM, James Hill > >> > <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I'm with Kurt. Unmanaged switches are just trouble. Do it properly > >> >> and > >> >> install extra cabling. > >> >> > >> >> Unmanaged switches have a habit of multiplying. I've been caught out > >> >> one > >> >> too many times by a hidden one under a desk somewhere, usually when > >> >> imaging > >> >> an entire floor with multicast or something when I don't have the > time > >> >> for > >> >> trouble. > >> >> > >> >> I've even seen one of these switches go nuts and flood a core switch > so > >> >> much it brought the network to its knees. > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> Sent: Sunday, 6 February 2011 5:19 AM > >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> >> Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches > >> >> > >> >> It's not just one mistake. > >> >> > >> >> I don't know what it is about my user population, but at least a > couple > >> >> of > >> >> times a year, and sometimes more often, I have to go chasing down > some > >> >> idiot > >> >> (usually a software developer or hardware engineer) who has connected > a > >> >> little switch to itself, or to another little switch. > >> >> > >> >> I'm really tired of it. > >> >> > >> >> Kurt > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 05:47, Ray <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > So because someone made a mistake you're condemning using them? > >> >> > > >> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 1:45 PM > >> >> > To: NT System Admin Issues > >> >> > Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches > >> >> > > >> >> > Don't. Just don't. > >> >> > > >> >> > Pull another run of cable if you have to. > >> >> > > >> >> > Desktop switches are just wrong. > >> >> > > >> >> > I speak from much experience here. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Just last month, we shuffled a bunch of folks around, and the > >> >> > facilities > >> >> > guy was moving PCs and printers, and noticed that there was a loose > >> >> > cable > >> >> > attached to a 5-port switch. So, not knowing what else to do with > it, > >> >> > he > >> >> > plugged it into the 5 port switch. Which meant that both ends of > the > >> >> > cable > >> >> > were in the same dumb, unmanaged, switch. > >> >> > That's your basic layer2 loop, right there. > >> >> > > >> >> > It killed performance for lots of people, until I tracked it down. > >> >> > > >> >> > I've had this happen so many times with stupid 5 and 8 port > switches > >> >> > that if I could rip them all out I would do so in less time than it > >> >> > takes to > >> >> > write about it. > >> >> > > >> >> > But, we now have so many of them, because our wiring is so sparse, > >> >> > that > >> >> > I can't. Yet. It's a major line item in the IT CAPEX budget for > next > >> >> > year. > >> >> > > >> >> > Kurt > >> >> > > >> >> > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:00, John Aldrich > >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> One of my users just claimed an unused laser printer for his > office > >> >> >> (Acct. > >> >> >> Manager) that has a network port on it as well as the usual USB. > >> >> >> He'd > >> >> >> like to be able to network it so he can print to it from the > AS/400. > >> >> >> What do you guys recommend for a small (4-5 port) network switch? > >> >> >> To anyone who wants to know, this is for real, looking for > >> >> >> recommendations for a RIGHT NOW purchase, not "next time." :-) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks! > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
