It's easy to be critical. But business reality in some shops require more flexibility. Spending thousands of dollars when $50 will take care of the problem seems like good business sense.
Maybe I just don't understand IT's role in business. Making things less inconvenient for IT isn't always at the top of my list. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:59 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches Required? Sometimes. More expensive up front? Yes. Valid or reasonable? I disagree. IMHO, being forced to use these tiny unmanaged switches shows a decided lack of foresight on someone's part, and a lack of understanding of their larger costs. Unless, perhaps, you're temporizing until a complete wireless solution is being readied. :) Kurt On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 02:59, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > "Install extra cabling" is a solution that has greater expense, and > requires far more permission that "install unmanaged switch" in most > circumstances. > There are plenty of valid scenarios where you will not have the > opportunity to add more network drops to a location, and for which the > temporary or permanent deployment of unmanaged switches will be entirely > reasonable. > > ASB (Find me online via About.Me) > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... > > > > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:49 PM, James Hill > <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> I'm with Kurt. Unmanaged switches are just trouble. Do it properly >> and install extra cabling. >> >> Unmanaged switches have a habit of multiplying. I've been caught out >> one too many times by a hidden one under a desk somewhere, usually >> when imaging an entire floor with multicast or something when I don't >> have the time for trouble. >> >> I've even seen one of these switches go nuts and flood a core switch >> so much it brought the network to its knees. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Sunday, 6 February 2011 5:19 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches >> >> It's not just one mistake. >> >> I don't know what it is about my user population, but at least a >> couple of times a year, and sometimes more often, I have to go >> chasing down some idiot (usually a software developer or hardware >> engineer) who has connected a little switch to itself, or to another little >> switch. >> >> I'm really tired of it. >> >> Kurt >> >> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 05:47, Ray <[email protected]> wrote: >> > So because someone made a mistake you're condemning using them? >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 1:45 PM >> > To: NT System Admin Issues >> > Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches >> > >> > Don't. Just don't. >> > >> > Pull another run of cable if you have to. >> > >> > Desktop switches are just wrong. >> > >> > I speak from much experience here. >> > >> > >> > Just last month, we shuffled a bunch of folks around, and the >> > facilities guy was moving PCs and printers, and noticed that there >> > was a loose cable attached to a 5-port switch. So, not knowing what >> > else to do with it, he plugged it into the 5 port switch. Which >> > meant that both ends of the cable were in the same dumb, unmanaged, switch. >> > That's your basic layer2 loop, right there. >> > >> > It killed performance for lots of people, until I tracked it down. >> > >> > I've had this happen so many times with stupid 5 and 8 port >> > switches that if I could rip them all out I would do so in less >> > time than it takes to write about it. >> > >> > But, we now have so many of them, because our wiring is so sparse, >> > that I can't. Yet. It's a major line item in the IT CAPEX budget for next >> > year. >> > >> > Kurt >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:00, John Aldrich >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> One of my users just claimed an unused laser printer for his >> >> office (Acct. >> >> Manager) that has a network port on it as well as the usual USB. >> >> He'd like to be able to network it so he can print to it from the AS/400. >> >> What do you guys recommend for a small (4-5 port) network switch? >> >> To anyone who wants to know, this is for real, looking for >> >> recommendations for a RIGHT NOW purchase, not "next time." :-) >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
