Life is rarely so cut and dried as you make it out to be. As with any decision, there are multiple inputs and risk assessments to be made and sometimes, using an inexpensive unmanaged switch is the right choice.
-Jeff Steward On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: > Required? Sometimes. > > More expensive up front? Yes. > > Valid or reasonable? I disagree. > > IMHO, being forced to use these tiny unmanaged switches shows a > decided lack of foresight on someone's part, and a lack of > understanding of their larger costs. > > Unless, perhaps, you're temporizing until a complete wireless solution > is being readied. :) > > Kurt > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 02:59, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > > "Install extra cabling" is a solution that has greater expense, and > requires > > far more permission that "install unmanaged switch" in most > circumstances. > > There are plenty of valid scenarios where you will not have the > opportunity > > to add more network drops to a location, and for which the temporary or > > permanent deployment of unmanaged switches will be entirely reasonable. > > > > ASB (Find me online via About.Me) > > Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:49 PM, James Hill < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> I'm with Kurt. Unmanaged switches are just trouble. Do it properly and > >> install extra cabling. > >> > >> Unmanaged switches have a habit of multiplying. I've been caught out > one > >> too many times by a hidden one under a desk somewhere, usually when > imaging > >> an entire floor with multicast or something when I don't have the time > for > >> trouble. > >> > >> I've even seen one of these switches go nuts and flood a core switch so > >> much it brought the network to its knees. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Sunday, 6 February 2011 5:19 AM > >> To: NT System Admin Issues > >> Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches > >> > >> It's not just one mistake. > >> > >> I don't know what it is about my user population, but at least a couple > of > >> times a year, and sometimes more often, I have to go chasing down some > idiot > >> (usually a software developer or hardware engineer) who has connected a > >> little switch to itself, or to another little switch. > >> > >> I'm really tired of it. > >> > >> Kurt > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 05:47, Ray <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > So because someone made a mistake you're condemning using them? > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 1:45 PM > >> > To: NT System Admin Issues > >> > Subject: Re: OT: desktop network switches > >> > > >> > Don't. Just don't. > >> > > >> > Pull another run of cable if you have to. > >> > > >> > Desktop switches are just wrong. > >> > > >> > I speak from much experience here. > >> > > >> > > >> > Just last month, we shuffled a bunch of folks around, and the > facilities > >> > guy was moving PCs and printers, and noticed that there was a loose > cable > >> > attached to a 5-port switch. So, not knowing what else to do with it, > he > >> > plugged it into the 5 port switch. Which meant that both ends of the > cable > >> > were in the same dumb, unmanaged, switch. > >> > That's your basic layer2 loop, right there. > >> > > >> > It killed performance for lots of people, until I tracked it down. > >> > > >> > I've had this happen so many times with stupid 5 and 8 port switches > >> > that if I could rip them all out I would do so in less time than it > takes to > >> > write about it. > >> > > >> > But, we now have so many of them, because our wiring is so sparse, > that > >> > I can't. Yet. It's a major line item in the IT CAPEX budget for next > year. > >> > > >> > Kurt > >> > > >> > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:00, John Aldrich > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> One of my users just claimed an unused laser printer for his office > >> >> (Acct. > >> >> Manager) that has a network port on it as well as the usual USB. He'd > >> >> like to be able to network it so he can print to it from the AS/400. > >> >> What do you guys recommend for a small (4-5 port) network switch? > >> >> To anyone who wants to know, this is for real, looking for > >> >> recommendations for a RIGHT NOW purchase, not "next time." :-) > >> >> > >> >> Thanks! > >> >> > > > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > > > --- > > To manage subscriptions click here: > > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > > or send an email to [email protected] > > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
