Casper - don't upset yourself over a very small minority - and look at all the free publicity you have received.[?]
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Iain Watermeyer <[email protected] > wrote: > I have been watching the e-mail exchanges and it saddens me that there are > people who still have knee jerk prejudicial response to a new enterprise. I > for one am thrilled that there is a new spot opening up for the more > responsible minded people living in obz. > > looking forward to visiting :) > > Iain > > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Doug Price <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Like I have said earlier we will give you the benefit of the doubt. Good >> luck for your opening and continuing in perfect harmony with the residents >> of Observatory. >> I like to see business's be successful. So hopefully the word will go >> round that Lion Tavern is a good place to visit. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Casper >> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:28 AM >> To: The Observatory Neighbourhood watch >> Subject: [obsnw] Re: FW: "Lions Corner" Application for Liquor license >> >> It actually sickens me to think that there is residents with so little >> believe in us (Lion Corner). >> >> The fact that you expect people to walk out of my establishment and vomit >> and use your garden or flower pots as toilets is disgusting!! No one with >> such tendencies should be allowed in anyway. The people that fertilize your >> gardens are not our target market. Lion Corner is a respectable up market >> bar. We are not here to make trouble or be a nuisance. Our intensions are >> good although we are constantly compared with and stereotyped as liquor >> holes where scum comes together. >> >> We also have made no opening night promises. We only asked that our >> neighbours please accommodate us for the opening night as the turn up will >> probably be overwhelming. And that this will not be our normal trade. After >> all this will be our opening night and we are excited about it and we have >> put a lot of hard work into it! So with all the negative comments and >> disbelieve from our fellow residents and neighbours, believe it or not but >> we are taking you in consideration and have been from day 1. >> >> On a lighter note we have also received a lot of positive feedback from >> the Observatory residents who can't wait for this Purple Paradise to open! >> For those of you who have send us welcoming messages and told us how >> excited you are of our opening, this means the world to us and we are >> looking forward to seeing your at Lion Corner Tavern. >> >> Haha, very good point Nikki! :-) >> >> So one more day to go till the opening! See the all you happy hearted >> people there! ;-) >> >> Kind Regards >> Casper Potgieter >> Owner of 205 Lower Main >> And Co-owner of Lion Corner Tavern >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 23, 8:25 am, Doug Price <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi James, >> > >> > You could not have put it more precisely. >> > I also understand Bev's frustration with the amount of liquor licenses >> in the "Obs Strip", which is very short. >> > My only problem is that when the trouble does come, and the pre-opening >> promises are not kept, we the residents are left with the headaches. >> > Never see the owners of the establishments with buckets, disinfectant >> and hoses in their hands cleaning the streets around their establishments, >> or around the complainants residence where the defecations take place. >> > I am not against this Lions Corner, I say give them a chance, BUT what >> happens if they mess up, as a resident how can I get rid of them, also what >> happens when the place is sold the liquor license does not die but gets >> used by the next owner, as we have seen happen far too many times further >> up the strip. >> > >> > Doug. >> > >> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> > Of James Cowley >> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:21 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [obsnw] Re: FW: "Lions Corner" Application for Liquor >> > license >> > >> > Yes, "Everybody loves Raymond", sure do, he's funny and charming and >> often gets his point, moral or idea across to all. >> > >> > Everyone loves an English Pub, it's a good vibe, a few drinks, meet >> some good guys and gals, and off we go. >> > Coming into this debate is very tricky, but as noted to Doug, I would >> follow up. >> > Henk, the OCA representative is the best suited to make a response, and >> will leave it for him to do. Business pressure, and volunteer time to >> spend hours of reply or motivation re liquor related matters in Obs, >> however takes its toll on one, but sure he will fit a reply soon. >> > >> > Obs carries a heavy load of poor liquor establishment etiquette, >> legally they can trade but gravely exceed their bounds. >> > >> > For most of you, you have no touch with the hassles, not of the pubs, >> clubs or 'restaurants', but with the authorities who have to protect you >> and me of noise, urinating around every corner door or wall, loud shouting >> whist walking to their residences across Obs, fights, damages to cars or >> properties, beer bottles dumped or smashed, will drink till they drop, but >> with the authorities who are not there when you call on them, do not quite >> deliver what they supposed to do, turns communities and Legal entities >> around and give the liquor establishments the right of way to proceed! >> > Unless you are deprived of your sleep or sanity, Raymond is a fine guy, >> thumbs up for him, but wait till Raymond laughs behind your house. >> > >> > So, is the above re the bad places, the crawly dingy ones, yes but no, >> not quite. I refer to the nice establishments, sometimes the small neat or >> cozy ones, the ones who supposedly does Observatory residents a favour by >> staying open way late beyond their trading hours or takes a chance more >> than often - but spills out their well inebriated patron/s to get into >> his/her vehicle and drive off or becomes a victim for a robbery or cannot >> contain his/her bladder or vomits into your flower pot or behind your wall >> or at your gate; allows a DJ or two or a talented musician to make music >> which can be heard two to three blocks away; or allows only neatly dressed >> patrons but who's thump of music can be heard 250 meters away; or you >> neither know if the patron is well drunk or drugged but plays ball all >> round; I can go on, but... >> > >> > Promises by liquor applicants are often made but poorly kept, >> motivations in applications on paper are the finest but on the ground >> becomes flawed in practice, once given a licence it becomes near impossible >> to reverse, the Law itself seems to get reversed because the business >> perpetrator is considered above the affected resident, time and time again, >> and this is no joke! >> > >> > An English Pub for Raymond being an American is possibly out of sorts >> In South Africa. It's nice if we can run an English pub in Observatory >> with an English Liquor Board, a Bobby on patrol with his baton in hand to >> visit her Majesty's pub and with a stiff upper lip, check in that all is in >> place at the pub and with it's patrons then popping on further down the >> road and see the little o'l Tannie off to her abode at 11 pm after her >> nice little snort at her lekker Local pub. >> > >> > Folks, I wish Lions Corner well but if Lion's Corner has all its ducks >> in a row, well then. I however disagree to widen the footprint of liquor >> into the corridors of the residential domain in Observatory, and will give >> it my best attention, both for and against as "Everybody Loves Observatory >> ". >> > >> > Kind regards >> > James >> > >> > James Cowley >> > >> > 082 926 1220 >> > >> > 021 448 2824 (t&f) >> > >> > Observatory Neighborhood Watch: Chairman >> > >> > On 22 February 2012 18:54, Bev Pettit <[email protected]><mailto: >> [email protected]>> wrote: >> > I don't need to explain myself ! >> > We have more than enuf liquor holes in the area ! >> > I am already plagued by drunk idiots that walk past my place at all >> times of the night. >> > I have also had to put up with drunk folk pee-ing AND DEFACATING on >> pavement outside my place and next door. >> > >> > I'm also not interested in entering pleasant / unpleasant watering hole >> debate. >> > It leaves me cold >> > >> > I HAVE HAD ENOUGH ! >> > >> > So you don't like me or what I say..... >> > >> > I'm crestfallen ! >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]>. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<mailto: >> obsnw%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com>. >> > For more options, visit this group athttp:// >> groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en. >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]>. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<mailto: >> [email protected]m>. >> > For more options, visit this group athttp:// >> groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/obsnw?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. 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