Hi all
Please keep this constructive and let's not allow this to generate
into a "who did what "
Thank you
Robby
On 28 Jun 2015 4:00 PM, "brianvamery" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Of course we could Johan. What would be your suggestions?
Preferably practical.
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From: Johan Beaurain
Date:28/06/2015 15:06 (GMT+02:00)
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very
concerned
Paddy, you said:
‘Marc,
No removals can take place without interviewing the squatters
(even if they are returnees) and alternatives offered. Only if
they refuse the offer can the camps be dismantled and removed. I
believe the first process has been completed and the camps will be
dismantled. This is the second time this year.
Paddy’
I am not really concerned about the letter of the law and how it
is enforced or incorrectly enforced; I would rather like us to
look at this issue from a practical point of view:
1.There are many homeless people living next to the river that
needs proper accommodation and support from the authorities.
2.We suspect that amongst these homeless people might be some
criminal elements because a few of us have seen perpetrators of
crime running that way after being caught in the act; but that is
only a suspicion, we can not suggest that all of them are criminals.
3.If it is true what you say that some of them were offered
alternative accommodation before, but that they have refused that;
then we need to look at an alternative solution to the problem.
4.What is the reasons why the refused the alternative
accommodation they were offered? Was the accommodation to far away
from where they need to be on a daily basis; or what exactly was
the reason?
5. How can we best overcome that problem?
6.In my humble opinion, it would be a completely useless exercise
to keep on breaking down their shelters and loading their personal
belongings onto a truck and dropping it of somewhere else. That
would not solve the problem; because observatory is the place they
want to be. It would only result in a situation where the
authorities tramp people whom are already down and out, further
into the ground.
7.I also suspect that if the authorities keep on tramping the poor
and homeless people further into the ground, we would not be able
to solve/decrease the crime problems in our area.
8.I suspect that poor, frustrated and angry people would be more
inclined to revert to criminal activities, simply because that
would be their only option to survive another day.
Can we please look at a practical solution to this problem?
Thanks
Johan
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Patrick Chapple
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Marc,
No removals can take place without interviewing the squatters
( even if they are returnees) and alternatives offered. Only
if they refuse the offer can the camps be dismantled and
removed. I believe the first process has been completed and
the camps will be dismantled. This is the second time this year.
Paddy
*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Marc Turok
*Sent:* 28 June 2015 09:08 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>;
Paddy Chapple
*Subject:* Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways)
very concerned
Dear Cncllr Paddy Chapple,
I believe I may need to withdraw what I wrote in response to
your post, 25 June, which I seem to have misinterpreted???
You wrote: ‘I received an attack from an organisation called
Ground up via Facebook for removing the encampments along the
Liesbeek”. .. “There might be one or two innocent
homeless*_amongst the 6 camps I removed_*. Let me tell
everyone the reality. I personally went done there...”.
I clearly read into it as a current report. I took it as this
has just been done and done with full care and diligence,
offering alternative accommodation: Shelter offered for the
“innocent”.. and those showing evidence of criminal activity
and by law transgression, were charged for that and taken into
custody...???
Oh! I did not get it right, since I thought this was done
recently!
I did not notice until yesterday, when I went for a walk along
the river and saw that the stated intent had not been followed
through recently and the required speed and due diligence has
not reappeared YET!
I now see that you had said: “I am going to raid the two new
camps that have sprung up along the Liesbeek since the last
raid.” (NOT SURE WHY its stated as “I” rather that the
‘appropriate authority’ will be called to...sort out this huge
problem for Observatory.
I had given you credit, personally, for acting responsibility,
when appropriate action has actually not yet been taken!
I am reinstating my *wish list* point number *18*, on behalf
of OCA, intended to urgently get the job in addressing crime
and transgression of bylaws, done correctly and humanely.
Its essential that those transgressing, are removed without
further delay, while providing appropriate alternative
temporary shelter, especially for the ‘possibly innocent or
uninformed’, in the middle of winter, and giving it urgent
attention!
Clearly criminals should be charged and those transgressing
should be dealt with correctly. Is there a better solution
that can be made available?
Yesterday, I saw many shelters and a huge amount of dumped
litter around them and elsewhere, waiting to be washed into
the river, not to mention all the other negative impact concerns!
Lets set up _appropriate _solutions urgently!
For those critical of the action in the past....Better
solutions should be heard if there are any.
Regards,
Marc Turok
*From:*Patrick Chapple <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Thursday, June 25, 2015 7:35 PM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*RE: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways)
very concerned
Thank you Paul,
But this is done by the book. First the Social workers. The
Obscid Social Worker Kenneth Roan is outstanding. Those that
wish shelter are taken there. But if that offer is refused,
then the camps are removed. Obs as a community works really
hard at rehabilitation and re integration. The Apartheid days
are over. But there is certainly a crime nest operating out of
the camps along the Liesbeek!
Paddy Chapple
*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* 25 June 2015 07:26 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways)
very concerned
Let me know when........I will assist
Paul
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*Sender: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Date: *Thu, 25 Jun 2015 17:21:21 +0000
*To: *mailto:[email protected]%[email protected]>
*ReplyTo: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject: *RE: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways)
very concerned
I received an attack from an organisation called Ground up via
Facebook for removing the encampments along the Liesbeek. Yes,
I agree. There might be one or two innocent homeless amongst
the 6 camps I removed. Let me tell everyone the reality. I
personally went done there. How many of these people are cross
dressers? Because the litter was predominated by hand bags!
Witnesses who guard the SAN Circus have witnessed the thefts
and directly point at the perpetrators running towards the
river. A robbery at Merindol ( number 2) is a case in point.
On my site visit, I was certainly tracked by two residents
whose intentions seemed to be not to ask me for my Business
card. Now I have an NGO, Groundup, who are complaining! But
where were they when I asked NGOs to assist? As usual only the
City and Obscid responded! I am going to raid the two new
camps that have sprung up along the Liesbeek since the last
raid. I suggest Groundup consult with them. Because crime WILL
go down below the railway line when these camps are removed.
And incidentally. Groundup financial books make interesting
reading. More wages than action! Lot more wages! Groundup stop
exploiting. Offer your services to Obscid. Be part of the
solution! You are making problems for your own financial game,
it seems.
*From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Marc Turok
*Sent:* 25 June 2015 11:04 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways)
very concerned
The idea of people chipping in would be a very local thing for
a few streets to get some extra help during some hours when
volunteers are not available for a limited period like two
months to break the crime cycle while OBSID is getting its
broad evenly spread security ‘activities’ together in full
tilt once again...not to try raise funds like Obswatch
attempted to do for the whole of Observatory.
If the problem is seen to be Friday and Saturday night 9 to
12 pm and for example and no one is available to volunteer
then maybe employ someone to help for 6 hrs a week at about
R30 or R40 per hour ..One would need to raise R 180 to 240 per
week, lets say for a month trial to see the impact. The mini
area would need to raise about R1000 for the month. I am
saying if those who are not able to volunteer time, were to
contribute R 40 to R80 for the month, one would need 15 to 25
households to chip in for this turnaround strategy to kick in.
This in addition to volunteers doing patrols. If the
combination works as an improvement, it could be changed eg to
do a stakeout at another time like Wednesday and Friday
afternoon for two hours each instead of weekend nigh,
rotating and uncover the patterns that need to be noticed and
acted on by OPS.
Regards,
Marc
*From:*marion <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:*Wednesday, June 24, 2015 2:47 PM
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:*Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways)
very concerned
Hi All
I have read the comments on this topic so far with interest.
While it is good news that crime has gone down in Obs in
general, armed muggings are most definitely on the increase in
Lower Obs. I have lived in Crown St for 20 years, and while we
have had issues with car and house break-ins, I do not recall
having so many aggressive muggings as this recent spate. Like
Melanie, I am feeling scared to walk around my own
neighbourhood, and also worry for my child, as well as our
childminder and her daughter.
- I agree that the community can do a lot to address this
situation, and Jonah, I like your sign idea. I also agree
that patrols are effective not as an alternative to policing,
but to simply get more people out and about. Other activities
like the moonlight walk achieve this too.
- However, I am concerned that the prioritisation of the Lower
Main rd issues, combined with the installation of cameras, has
been at the expense of lower Obs. Future plans need to be less
reactive and put plans in place that benefit the whole of
Observatory, not just one part of it.
- I am willing to consider putting in extra as a once off to
pay for cameras. However, I am not in favour of trying to get
households to make a regular additional financial commitment
to pay for extra security. Those of you who were around during
the Obswatch days will know that it is a nightmare trying to
get people to pay up monthly. The forced levying through rates
is the only way to get a monthly income one can rely on to
contract security staff.
Marion
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