Steve, Thanks for the excellent clear response dated 25 June re firearms. Its a concern about the claimed “No action” yet someone did come later. It is needed to be pointed out that the essential things are missing here: Description of the people who were seen “wanting to break a car” nor the registration of car? Did it get broken or broken into or not? What number was phoned? at what time? who answered and what was the response? Van came how much later? Who was rude and why? What was the vehicle in which “he” was traveling? It was claimed there were “people” then ‘they’ are referred to as “him”? Is this a case of frustration that we can all learn from? Marc
From: Steve Killick Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 12:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [obsnw] Concerned about safety, security all of Obs (and the need to build an active community spirit. We should be very concerned only if we do not act on it with full energy ! Thanks Shepherd, Did you get the name of the officer or any vehicle detail? If we have a better idea of who it was we can take it up with obsid. Thanks for trying. Sorry you had a bad experience. Steve On 27 Jun 2015 08:57, <[email protected]> wrote: Hi all I don't understand,at I saw people wanting to break a car along scort next robbins, 15, to 20mins ago I phoned obsid,,no action taken. Now their van is is coming trying to stop him he is now rude to me. Saying I should have stopped him nicely can someone teach me of explain how you can stop a car nicely wen u are outside. I'm not happy at all wen we put effort and don't get the necessary support. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Steve Killick Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 21:14 To: [email protected] Reply To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [obsnw] Concerned about safety, security all of Obs (and the need to build an active community spirit. We should be very concerned only if we do not act on it with full energy ! Hi Marc & Paul, Just to clarify ONW's position on the carrying of fire arms on patrol for everyone's benefit: a.. The issue has been discussed at length our last two monthly meetings. a.. It was decided that our membership should vote as to whether members should be allowed to carry firearms on patrol or not. a.. The matter was concluded at our last meeting on 17 June 2015 where 65% of the vote was against the carrying of firearms on patrols. a.. We suggest that ONW members who want to patrol with a licensed firearm can do so in their private capacity (as is their constitutional right) or, that they undergo Peace Officer training and patrol in that capacity. a.. As with other officers of the law, armed Peace Officers are welcome to join ONW patrols, provided that they are clearly identified as such. Thanks and regards, Steve On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Marc Turok <[email protected]> wrote: Hi there Paul, Yes there are many of us who get out, notice things, walk the dog etcetera. The challenge is to get much improved participation on a conscious level, where we get to be effective in how we take things on and report and follow up to check the results. It needs to be co-ordinated so we fill the gaps and record the patterns out in the street, get goon at listing numbers, greeting neighbours, building community spirit, getting others to use the time walking the dog, taking kids to school or returning home from work or the shops, to take an extra loop to check activities around in the streets around your block. Lets log in to area rep when we do it and that all seems fine or report concerns. Also log issues that need to be checked on by the next person. To get organised enough so we can fill in times when there is no presence and to get extra help to monitor hot spots.... , calling Ops for support where appropriate. Regards, Marc From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 6:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [obsnw] Concerned about safety, security all of Obs (and the need to build an active community spirit. We should be very concerned only if we do not act on if with full energy ! Morning Mark Been doing that for the past 15 years ( doing things on my own ), its just nice to be in a group, getting to know other people and so on.........but yes, have been doing so Paul Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Turok" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:49:21 +0200 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [obsnw] Concerned about safety, security all of Obs (and the need to build an active community spirit. We should be very concerned only if we do not act on if with full energy ! Dear Paul, My interpretation of “was told I cannot be armed”(by joint decision by ONW), I would think means that people should not patrol as ONW while being armed. As you say you are “Not prepared to do it”, but that is you need to accept why ONW made that call. I would think that if you have a licence to carry a weapon, there is nothing to stop you as an individual without an ONW vest, going for a half hour walk about twice a week and reporting back to others. Just do it in your personal capacity.... Why not? Regards, Marc From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 6:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [obsnw] Concerned about safety, security all of Obs (and the need to build an active community spirit. We should be very concerned only if we do not act on if with full energy ! Good idea Just keep the kids at home...... as this is still relatively dangerous. I volunteered, but was told I cannot be armed. Not prepared to do it otherwise. Stay safe Regard Paul Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Turok" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 17:48:57 +0200 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [obsnw] Concerned about safety, security all of Obs (and the need to build an active community spirit. We should be very concerned only if we do not act on if with full energy ! Hi Rosemary and all, What I am suggesting is to have a sudden step up from the community in local volunteer block walk-about ‘patrolling’ (with ONW guidance). The suggestion would be to aiming for a minimum 1 hour out on the street a week, getting everyone out on foot , with or without a dog or on a bike. The ‘block’ or group of local street gets out together at a particular time when there should preferably be an intro discussion on the way, to discuss tips on how to observe and report (for those who would benefit from those experienced in the art). We then book a slot or log in for various volunteer slots depending how the local area coordinator wishes to arrange things. Those who just cant do it, could be encouraged to contribute to a mini local kitty to fund short term additional part time informal semi-skilled input, to fill in some of the time slots that remain un-attended, particularly in the turn out is not yet enough to fill all slots. This is not a suggestion seen as linked to or via OBSID! I see it in a similar to asking someone to to help cut my grass or paint my boundary wall. I would ask around who would help me, maybe use someone I trust to join me on the walk about and pay them a tip, much like someone who does dog walking. Its clearly informal and its clearly a once-off or a short term effort to make a difference over the next two months only and see the difference! After that one can look at it again. In two months we will have become familiar with the process, met and got to know more neighbours thus building community spirit, become activist so we continue acting in our own time. We learn to appreciate the effort made by others who continue to help to keep us safe. Regards, Marc From: Rosemary Robins Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [obsnw] Lower Obs (other side of the Railways) very concerned I could be wrong but I have been led to believe that OBSID may not accept money from the public?? On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Carolyn Neville <[email protected]> wrote: Well done Jonah - I like this idea. I am also quite prepared to put in extra money to OBSID to employ more patrollers - I believe both camera's and patrollers are important, but understand that people walking the beat are good deterrent. Could someone at OBSID come up with some scheme whereby people could pledge more money for more patrollers - perhaps if a particular road contributed for a patroller in that road or block? Let's keep the momentum going people - feeling more optimistic about my 'hood' by the day!! Carolyn Neville On 24 Jun 2015, at 11:52 AM, Jonah Sack <[email protected]> wrote: I like Marc's suggestion about encouraging residents to volunteer their time. What if there was a placard that participants could put up on their wall, to show that they're involved, and to encourage others to participate? Here's an example of the kind of thing I mean. (I just knocked this up to give a flavour of the idea. The details could change. 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