<<If people are really concerned about publishers using the OGL to claim PI on terms couldn't they just use the principle of PI against itself? >>
Given that you quoted me, that's not my concern. My concern is that I've been told any number of times on this list that rules, etc. can't be PI'd and that every major publisher agrees. They clearly don't.
I'm not chastising Chris Pramas or Monte Cook an iota for wanting to PI things, provided that they can do so clearly an unambiguously (and I'm not always sure that the latter has always been done).
<<On the other hand if there are not any authors out there that *really* want to fight against crippled content then you won't see this subject on the mailing list again. I wait to be convinced that the people that dislike crippled content are actually prepared to *do something about it* instead of just moaning about it.
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Dude, I'm not moaning about it. In fact, I've argued that, like it or not, as long as it is handled under the terms of the license, people have a right to cripple their product to make OGC extraction possible and clear, but not worth the trouble.
What I want, is for Ryan and others who claim consistently that everyone agrees to admit that there are several major publishers who explicitly DO NOT agree with them on PI'ing phrases and rules.
I'm hoping that they'll discuss things and either pick a traditional (if not legally binding) industry standard, or WotC will update the license so that people can voluntarily migrate to it to get rid of the gray areas of the license.
Almost every time I bring up a gray area I'm told that I just don't understand, but the "real" publishers do, and they all agree. That is increasingly showing to be an argument without substance.
That is not saying Green Ronin, Monte Cook, Ryan, or anyone else has the morally or legally right answer. That's not the point. The point is to find _an_ answer that the big boys, at the very least, can agree upon. If they can't, then that, to me, is a sign that the license could be clearer.
Lee
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