>  > the WotC OGL basically follows the first idea.
>
>That would be an inaccurate statement.  You cannot close anything once
>that material is made Open Game Content.

i can take a bunch of existing OGC, and release it in a work that is 
99% made up of closed content.  IMHO, that is "basically following 
the first idea"--that it is possible to have closed works derived 
from open works (not using "derived" in the specific sense that the 
WotC OGL does).  it's not as close to the 1st idea as those who 
advocate that a new bit of software can be built on an old open bit, 
and the new bit be closed.  but i think it is closer to that standard 
of what constitutes "open" than to the "things can never be closed" 
standard of "open".  i understand your disagreement with me, but i 
think this is a matter of POV, not fact--it's a matter of where you 
draw the line along a continuous spectrum.

>  > i basically follow the second.
>
>Which is an interesting philosophical position to hold, but has no hope
>of ever being a real-world situation, especially in regards to games.

i'm fully aware of its impracticality in a market economy.  i don't 
care if it's practical under the current climate, because part of the 
reason i hold that position is that i believe the current system (not 
RPG system--economic system) is Broken and needs fixing.  the fact 
that a stance is not practical is, IMHO, no reason not to attempt to 
realize it.

>Even Linux PCs running nothing but GNU software excute against a
>closed-rights BIOS, using patented and closed-rights system bus
>interfaces, connected to peripherals all running closed-rights software.
>There is no such thing as "completely open" anywhere.  The only question
>one has to ask themselves is "how open is open enough?"

agreed.  and i draw the line in a place more open than the WotC OGL. 
mind you, i don't demand that all things be open to any standard, 
much less my own.  i think there is a *huge* place for closed IP.  i 
only apply my standard of openness to those things that wish to label 
themselves "open".

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