On 1/15/02 1:33 AM, John W. Mangrum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote

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>Cloaker lords have no arms. They have little batlike claws in their
>illustration, which don't warrant a mention in the accompanying text. A
>cloaker lord doesn't *have* a distinct head, much less a humanoid one.
>Apparently now you're claiming that "two eyes and a mouth = humanoid." A
>cloaker lord has as many "humanoid" qualities as a manta ray.

Ever seen the original cloaker? That's why I referred to owning A2 when 
it came out. Stylized art has drifted from what the original looked like.

>I'll be honest. The last time I heard an argument like this, it was
>coming from a player in my gaming group who had read the MM and was now
>cooking up long, desperately convoluted arguments for why his 1st-level
>PC would know just about every detail found therein. I believe that the
>only reason you find the SRD mind flayer "obviously" humanoid is that
>you've seen mind flayer illustrations for however many years and, in
>gamer terms, are now unable to separate out your "player knowledge" from
>"character knowledge."

No, I believe it's because I recognize their form as being ripped-off 
from Cthulu (not their function, their form), and that I find the idea 
that TSR created squid-heads and owns them lock, stock and barrel to be a 
joke. One of the _obvious_ forms for something intelligent with four 
tentacles and a mouth is a squid-head.

-- 
Russ Taylor (http://www.cmc.net/~rtaylor/)

"The worst beating I ever got in my life is when my mom said
'I am sick' and I said 'and tired'." -- Bill Cosby

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