Hi, just a little intervention here :)
Again I see people acting defensively against Per comments, so I'll shift the conversation a little bit so maybe it can get clearer for all involved. So to start a proper conversation about what OMA should do to raise money and be noticed I'll ask each one that have interest to mail the answer for this question: What exactly is the goal of OMA ? And I really expect objective answers only, I know most people think that the goal is to succeed, but succeed in what? Do you want to be a Desktop distro? For what kind of user? Do you want to add value to ARM users, how? Do you want to focus in enterprise distros? Desktop or Server then? Do you want to be an easy to use distro, if yes, why you think OMA distro is the answer and must focus on that, if there are tons of distros around, including ROSA that is going forward on the Desktop area much quicker than we are. After answering this question clearly, not for me, not for Per, but for yourselves, we can then start a proper conversation and critique of the current structure and process. And again I urge you, be clear, direct and pragmatic, this is not an answer to the criticisms, is just a honest answer to yourself. Regarding the topic at hand, if you don't have the answer to this question, how you want to ask people for money in a crowdfunding? If you read the crowd page as someone that never heard about OMA, you see that there's no clear goal of what the money would be used to, so I find hard anyone would contribute anything. Regards, Guilherme Moro On 29 December 2014 at 21:08, Blackcrack <[email protected]> wrote: > > Am 29.12.2014 um 15:06 schrieb Per Øyvind Karlsen: > > 2014-12-28 13:34 GMT+01:00 Tomasz Gajc <[email protected]>: > >> Per everybody can criticise, >> > True, but not constructively. > >> but not everybody can change anything. >> > Most certainly, which is why constructive criticism is of prime value for > not doing things twrong. > >> So blaming around the house all people is not a desired attitude, hope >> this will tell you something. >> > Noone is blaming, this is called constructive criticism and not blaming > for a reason. > If you want a crowd of yay-sayers without the ability to change anything > and leave it at that, then fine, but then you're all on your own and lost > before you've even begun. > > I'm offering to help, both in the form of advice on thing to do and > really not do, only thing I'm saying is untill certain issues has been > resolved, my contributions are limited to harm reduction, which should be > appreciated regardless of it not being the thing most people behind > something wants to hear. > > FWIW majority of the active cooker contributors and several OMA > community has approached me for several months now with concerns and > discontent over the current situation, that should say something, obviously > I'm not the only one "blaming", I only chose to do so in public. > > --- > Regards > Per Øyvind > > > i see it same, constructive critic it's more worth as something try to > blame. ! > and i see Per's words also more as critic in constructive form.. > @ Per Øyvind, Per, try to make an membership on/in OM ... and so on .. > for have the possible to determine with and then draw the whole thing in > the right direction.. > and have the possible for do this . . > > and for all other's there, again, what do you are think, why i ever pray > to make fast as possible > an real Mandrake-installer to build, in which language it is, it's really > all the same for the enduser, > the thing it is, to have the possible for custom install and on any way, > burn the Cd on Iso or move it > on usb or maybe an 2 Disk-online installer to have like it was in the > first times.. > easy an easy possible for custom install and maybe also directly online > install (and not need donloading isos') > and an well and easy working custom install directly down from the ftp's, > and this was also an part of Mandrake , why have mandrake and mandriva so > big success .. > and as next the thing with drakconf without this both components be > Mandrake not really mandrake, > and only mandrake was loved from the whole peoples and have an had success > by the whole peoples.. > > 1. easy install, if possible directly from the ftp's/http's > sources/mirrors > via usb-stick or an small 40mb iso in any way .. where can boot the iso .. > > The own, custom System, where can install, like the enduser whant, and not > only kde ! > and this is the best system also for Providers also ! Because they are can > easy as possible setting up an Webserver for customers . > > 2. easy to configuration with one Control centre . > where should be include Virtual Domains and User-webspace who should be > possible > And the Workstation for others who need an only an workstation with Yellow > Pages (NIS) > or the Other, in an Factory, an LDAP System for Manny employee or customer > or how ever.. > the next thing it is, Notebook install, an surface for notebook, what at > moment standart it is.. > but this is an Notebook Surface and not an Desktop for anybody.. i hate > it, > i kick the OMV Taksbar directly away and use the Standard-KDe Taskbar. > and many other configurations who be possible with an Installer who it is > possible for an real Custom install . > > Easy, just for any an possible custom system . an Custom System for > anybody, > but there mus simply be the installer voices and be right. > > An RPM-releated installer .. > > best regards > Blacky > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OM-Cooker mailing > [email protected]http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OM-Cooker mailing list > [email protected] > http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >
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