I guess here is the problem, you shouldn't ask us .
IMO even you are thinking like the old mdv people (no pun intended),
....what does change what I or anybody else here
want OMA to be, for the end-user?We still force the user to accept
what OMA offers.
I've started a campaign of package request fixings, until it was told me
that
my work is useless ,so IMO what OMA has to be must be decided by the
people who install it.
You know that everything should be done just to gain users that install
and talk about OMA, period.
So, what I'm saying all your questions should be asked to those and not
to us.
Make a quiz and everybody here translate and publish the poll on their
community's forum.
I can do that , and I guess MIB too, what about the others?
Il 07/01/2015 13:48, Guilherme Moro ha scritto:
Hi,
just a little intervention here :)
Again I see people acting defensively against Per comments, so I'll
shift the conversation a little bit so maybe it can get clearer for
all involved.
So to start a proper conversation about what OMA should do to raise
money and be noticed I'll ask each one that have interest to mail the
answer for this question:
What exactly is the goal of OMA ?
And I really expect objective answers only, I know most people think
that the goal is to succeed, but succeed in what? Do you want to be a
Desktop distro? For what kind of user? Do you want to add value to ARM
users, how? Do you want to focus in enterprise distros? Desktop or
Server then? Do you want to be an easy to use distro, if yes, why you
think OMA distro is the answer and must focus on that, if there are
tons of distros around, including ROSA that is going forward on the
Desktop area much quicker than we are.
After answering this question clearly, not for me, not for Per, but
for yourselves, we can then start a proper conversation and critique
of the current structure and process.
And again I urge you, be clear, direct and pragmatic, this is not an
answer to the criticisms, is just a honest answer to yourself.
Regarding the topic at hand, if you don't have the answer to this
question, how you want to ask people for money in a crowdfunding? If
you read the crowd page as someone that never heard about OMA, you see
that there's no clear goal of what the money would be used to, so I
find hard anyone would contribute anything.
Regards,
Guilherme Moro
On 29 December 2014 at 21:08, Blackcrack <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Am 29.12.2014 um 15:06 schrieb Per Øyvind Karlsen:
2014-12-28 13:34 GMT+01:00 Tomasz Gajc <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>:
Per everybody can criticise,
True, but not constructively.
but not everybody can change anything.
Most certainly, which is why constructive criticism is of prime
value for not doing things twrong.
So blaming around the house all people is not a desired
attitude, hope this will tell you something.
Noone is blaming, this is called constructive criticism and not
blaming for a reason.
If you want a crowd of yay-sayers without the ability to change
anything and leave it at that, then fine, but then you're all on
your own and lost before you've even begun.
I'm offering to help, both in the form of advice on thing to do
and really not do, only thing I'm saying is untill certain issues
has been resolved, my contributions are limited to harm
reduction, which should be appreciated regardless of it not being
the thing most people behind something wants to hear.
FWIW majority of the active cooker contributors and several OMA
community has approached me for several months now with concerns
and discontent over the current situation, that should say
something, obviously I'm not the only one "blaming", I only chose
to do so in public.
---
Regards
Per Øyvind
i see it same, constructive critic it's more worth as something
try to blame. !
and i see Per's words also more as critic in constructive form..
@ Per Øyvind, Per, try to make an membership on/in OM ... and so on ..
for have the possible to determine with and then draw the whole
thing in the right direction..
and have the possible for do this . .
and for all other's there, again, what do you are think, why i
ever pray to make fast as possible
an real Mandrake-installer to build, in which language it is, it's
really all the same for the enduser,
the thing it is, to have the possible for custom install and on
any way, burn the Cd on Iso or move it
on usb or maybe an 2 Disk-online installer to have like it was in
the first times..
easy an easy possible for custom install and maybe also directly
online install (and not need donloading isos')
and an well and easy working custom install directly down from the
ftp's,
and this was also an part of Mandrake , why have mandrake and
mandriva so big success ..
and as next the thing with drakconf without this both components
be Mandrake not really mandrake,
and only mandrake was loved from the whole peoples and have an had
success by the whole peoples..
1. easy install, if possible directly from the ftp's/http's
sources/mirrors
via usb-stick or an small 40mb iso in any way .. where can boot
the iso ..
The own, custom System, where can install, like the enduser whant,
and not only kde !
and this is the best system also for Providers also ! Because they
are can easy as possible setting up an Webserver for customers .
2. easy to configuration with one Control centre .
where should be include Virtual Domains and User-webspace who
should be possible
And the Workstation for others who need an only an workstation
with Yellow Pages (NIS)
or the Other, in an Factory, an LDAP System for Manny employee or
customer or how ever..
the next thing it is, Notebook install, an surface for notebook,
what at moment standart it is..
but this is an Notebook Surface and not an Desktop for anybody.. i
hate it,
i kick the OMV Taksbar directly away and use the Standard-KDe Taskbar.
and many other configurations who be possible with an Installer
who it is possible for an real Custom install .
Easy, just for any an possible custom system . an Custom System
for anybody,
but there mus simply be the installer voices and be right.
An RPM-releated installer ..
best regards
Blacky
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