Hi, On 7 January 2015 at 18:02, symbianflo <[email protected]> wrote:
> I guess here is the problem, you shouldn't ask us . > When I ask you guys, I ask you as the first end-users we have, myself not being an end-user any more, because the distro from a technical point of view was not polished enough for my use, and no latest gnome ;) > IMO even you are thinking like the old mdv people (no pun intended), > Well, I'm the old old mdv people :) and we created the association exactly to keep this alive. And when I say that I'm talking about the old MDK people, and about myself, the old Conectiva people :) > ....what does change what I or anybody else here > want OMA to be, for the end-user?We still force the user to accept > what OMA offers. > I've started a campaign of package request fixings, until it was told me > that > my work is useless ,so IMO what OMA has to be must be decided by the > people who install it. > I get your point, this is one of the things that we are trying to fix, your work surely would be useful given we had a proper technical process and some vague idea of the goal. For example, with this new way of constant updates to packages all around, the valuable feedback that you gave requesting fixes was lost, if we changed for what I personally think would be a best approach, we would could use this feedback to trace problematic packages, understand the constraints and problems, fix an old, stable version, make sure the SPEC file is clean and correct, and then start updating from there, unless of course for packages that are just easier to update to a new version because the version gap is too large. What we do now seems the opposite, there's a problem, update it, if it works, good, if doesn't the system is still broken, and finding the issue can be even harder, as the original feedback is not valid any more. > You know that everything should be done just to gain users that install > and talk about OMA, period. > I would just choose more careful my words ;), this is not a popularity contest, we want to attract people, yes, but not doing PR stunts or what not. > So, what I'm saying all your questions should be asked to those and not to > us. > Make a quiz and everybody here translate and publish the poll on their > community's forum. > I can do that , and I guess MIB too, what about the others? > I'm asking you as a end-user, not just as a collaborator, tell us what you would like to use, what do you think would be the best for the distro, maybe you may say that you want a full 3D desktop written in java ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIaNKB_eakM), and we just really listen to you, and see what we could do towards your wishes, who would want to do the same as you, who would be able to contribute to that specific goal. Ciao, Guilherme Moro > > > Il 07/01/2015 13:48, Guilherme Moro ha scritto: > > Hi, > > just a little intervention here :) > > Again I see people acting defensively against Per comments, so I'll shift > the conversation a little bit so maybe it can get clearer for all involved. > So to start a proper conversation about what OMA should do to raise > money and be noticed I'll ask each one that have interest to mail the > answer for this question: > > What exactly is the goal of OMA ? > > And I really expect objective answers only, I know most people think > that the goal is to succeed, but succeed in what? Do you want to be a > Desktop distro? For what kind of user? Do you want to add value to ARM > users, how? Do you want to focus in enterprise distros? Desktop or Server > then? Do you want to be an easy to use distro, if yes, why you think OMA > distro is the answer and must focus on that, if there are tons of distros > around, including ROSA that is going forward on the Desktop area much > quicker than we are. > > After answering this question clearly, not for me, not for Per, but for > yourselves, we can then start a proper conversation and critique of the > current structure and process. > > And again I urge you, be clear, direct and pragmatic, this is not an > answer to the criticisms, is just a honest answer to yourself. > > Regarding the topic at hand, if you don't have the answer to this > question, how you want to ask people for money in a crowdfunding? If you > read the crowd page as someone that never heard about OMA, you see that > there's no clear goal of what the money would be used to, so I find hard > anyone would contribute anything. > > Regards, > > Guilherme Moro > > > > On 29 December 2014 at 21:08, Blackcrack <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> Am 29.12.2014 um 15:06 schrieb Per Øyvind Karlsen: >> >> 2014-12-28 13:34 GMT+01:00 Tomasz Gajc <[email protected]>: >> >>> Per everybody can criticise, >>> >> True, but not constructively. >> >>> but not everybody can change anything. >>> >> Most certainly, which is why constructive criticism is of prime value for >> not doing things twrong. >> >>> So blaming around the house all people is not a desired attitude, hope >>> this will tell you something. >>> >> Noone is blaming, this is called constructive criticism and not blaming >> for a reason. >> If you want a crowd of yay-sayers without the ability to change anything >> and leave it at that, then fine, but then you're all on your own and lost >> before you've even begun. >> >> I'm offering to help, both in the form of advice on thing to do and >> really not do, only thing I'm saying is untill certain issues has been >> resolved, my contributions are limited to harm reduction, which should be >> appreciated regardless of it not being the thing most people behind >> something wants to hear. >> >> FWIW majority of the active cooker contributors and several OMA >> community has approached me for several months now with concerns and >> discontent over the current situation, that should say something, obviously >> I'm not the only one "blaming", I only chose to do so in public. >> >> --- >> Regards >> Per Øyvind >> >> >> i see it same, constructive critic it's more worth as something try to >> blame. ! >> and i see Per's words also more as critic in constructive form.. >> @ Per Øyvind, Per, try to make an membership on/in OM ... and so on .. >> for have the possible to determine with and then draw the whole thing in >> the right direction.. >> and have the possible for do this . . >> >> and for all other's there, again, what do you are think, why i ever pray >> to make fast as possible >> an real Mandrake-installer to build, in which language it is, it's really >> all the same for the enduser, >> the thing it is, to have the possible for custom install and on any way, >> burn the Cd on Iso or move it >> on usb or maybe an 2 Disk-online installer to have like it was in the >> first times.. >> easy an easy possible for custom install and maybe also directly online >> install (and not need donloading isos') >> and an well and easy working custom install directly down from the ftp's, >> and this was also an part of Mandrake , why have mandrake and mandriva >> so big success .. >> and as next the thing with drakconf without this both components be >> Mandrake not really mandrake, >> and only mandrake was loved from the whole peoples and have an had >> success by the whole peoples.. >> >> 1. easy install, if possible directly from the ftp's/http's >> sources/mirrors >> via usb-stick or an small 40mb iso in any way .. where can boot the iso .. >> >> The own, custom System, where can install, like the enduser whant, and >> not only kde ! >> and this is the best system also for Providers also ! Because they are >> can easy as possible setting up an Webserver for customers . >> >> 2. easy to configuration with one Control centre . >> where should be include Virtual Domains and User-webspace who should be >> possible >> And the Workstation for others who need an only an workstation with >> Yellow Pages (NIS) >> or the Other, in an Factory, an LDAP System for Manny employee or >> customer or how ever.. >> the next thing it is, Notebook install, an surface for notebook, what at >> moment standart it is.. >> but this is an Notebook Surface and not an Desktop for anybody.. i hate >> it, >> i kick the OMV Taksbar directly away and use the Standard-KDe Taskbar. >> and many other configurations who be possible with an Installer who it is >> possible for an real Custom install . >> >> Easy, just for any an possible custom system . an Custom System for >> anybody, >> but there mus simply be the installer voices and be right. >> >> An RPM-releated installer .. >> >> best regards >> Blacky >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OM-Cooker mailing >> [email protected]http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OM-Cooker mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > OM-Cooker mailing > [email protected]http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > OM-Cooker mailing list > [email protected] > http://ml.openmandriva.org/listinfo.cgi/om-cooker-openmandriva.org >
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