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>To: Jim Hanzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> onlinedemocracy
>From: Scott Lowery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [Winona] united way and boy scouts
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>Jim,
>I used the word "tolerance" advisedly, and completely agree that tolerance
>falls far short as an attitudinal goal in dealing with differences! To
>tolerate something or someone is often to BARELY tolerate them--the word
>smacks of patronizing and distainful behavior toward others.
>
>I was just saying that, as a lowest acceptable common denominator on this
>issue, even those who can't accept non-hetero sexual orientation can I
>think agree to be tolerant.
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>Beyond that, of course what I would hope for would be mutual respect and
>appreciation. Actually there's an interesting continuum that's helpful
>here, written by Dr. Dorothy Riddle, in which she lists an 8-step range of
>attitudes towards difference. I'll list them (abridged) below. Looking at
>them now, I think that acceptance should probably be the minimum level
>that could be expected from everyone. Incidentally, Riddle says that all
>educators should at minimum operate at the Support level.
>
>Working from most negative to most positive:
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>REPULSION--People who are different are strange, sick, crazy, and aversive.
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>PITY--People who are different are somehow born that way and that is
>pitiful. To help those poor individuals, one should reinforce normal
>behaviors.
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>TOLERANCE--Being different is just a phase of development that people go
>through and most people "grow out of." Thus they should be protected and
>tolerated as one does a child who is still learning.
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>ACCEPTANCE--Implies that one needs to make accomodations for another's
>differences and does not acknowledge that another's identity may be of the
>same value as their own.
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>SUPPORT--Works to safeguard the rights of those who are different. Such
>people may be uncomfortable themselves but they are aware of the climate
>and the irrational unfairness in our society.
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>ADMIRATION--Acknowledges that being different in our society takes
>strength. Such people are willing to truly look at themselves and work on
>their own personal biases.
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>APPRECIATION--Values the diversity of the people and is willing to
>confront insensitive attitudes.
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>NURTURANCE--Assumes the differences in people are indispensible in
>society. They view differences with genuine affection and delight and are
>willing to be advocates of those differences.
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>>Though I hope I am a tolerant person and would speak out for tolerance, for
>>me the verb "tolerate" has a built-in negative connotation: I tolerate the
>>things I dislike but can do nothing about. And if I tolerate everything,
>>what then? Are there any lines to be drawn? What of those whom we still
>>castigate for having tolerated what happened to the Jews in the '30s and
>>since? and before?
>>
>>At 11:03 PM 03/26/2001 -0600, you wrote:
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>>>Clay,
>>>I appreciate your attempt to clarify the discussion. Your last sentence
>>>reminds me of something I find puzzling in discussions about gay/lesbian
>>>issues--I've often heard someone say something like "I don't agree with
>>>homosexuality but I think homosexuals should have the same legal rights as
>>>anyone else." My puzzlement is over the use of "agree."
>>>
>>>I don't think homosexuality is something with which you can agree or
>>>disagree, any more than you can agree with someone's ethnic background, or
>>>agree with their gender. Maybe what the hypothetical person is saying with
>>>this statement is "I don't approve of homosexuality..."? Phrased that way,
>>>it's easier to see what's really going on, and easier to understand
>>>formulate any number of responses (like "Why is it your responsibility to
>>>approve or disapprove of someone else's sexuality?" or "Even if you don't
>>>approve or even accept non-straight sexual orientation, can we agree that
>>>mutual tolerance of all kinds of differences is a crucial cornerstone of
>>>our society?")
>>>
>>>Scott Lowery
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>>>
>>>> Thanks to you all for thinking about this and expressing your
>>>>opinions. This is a great case of E-democracy at work. The only
>>>>point that I can add to this discussion is that it's easy to confuse
>>>>cases of what's "right" with what's socially acceptable and/or legally
>>>>just. Socially acceptable behaviour changes as the population changes.
>>>>What's "just" in our country comes down to giving everyone the benefit of
>>>>the doubt, and treating them with the same fairness, respect, and
>>>>protection that you would expect to receive yourself. This is a case
>>>>where the BSA has not yet realized that what they teach boys to model,
>>>>based on what is "just," is in conflict with their rules at an
>>>>organizational level because those rules were made when socially
>>>>acceptable behaviour was more narrowly defined. If you have ever read
>>>>the story of how the Boy Scouts got started, it was in reaction to an act
>>>>of kindness: an anonymous young boy showed up on a street corner to help
>>>>a foreign visitor find his way. The stranger, touched by the genuine
>>>>spirit of giving by this youth, founded the Scouts. Did he write in the
>>>>first draft "no queers allowed?" I doubt it. Someone along the way has
>>>>injected their own agenda out of their own fears and ignorance, polluting
>>>>the initial intentions of teaching young people to offer assistance and
>>>>compassion without asking for anything in return. If you ever found
>>>>yourself alone in a place where you don't fit in to the scene, such as
>>>>the BSA founder did, I'd bet it would be nice if a stranger would walk up
>>>>and offer a hand in kindness. And I'll bet it would never cross your
>>>>mind to ask whether they were gay or straight. The United Way supports
>>>>the Boy Scouts of America in all of the principles that they teach, just
>>>>not they governing body. By discriminating due to sexual preference, the
>>>>BSA has gone against their own principles and has failed to realize it.
>>>>Once the correction has been made within BSA, I'm sure that the United
>>>>Way would gladly renew their support. Until then, this is no more than a
>>>>*peaceful* embargo against a group that has chosen to treat a part of
>>>>their population as unsavory and unacceptable. Finally, postings that
>>>>equate gays and lesbians with criminal parts of society are offensive.
>>>>I belong to neither of those groups, but I know that they are our
>>>>teachers, our co-workers, our relatives, and our leaders. If you don't
>>>>agree with homosexual activity, don't engage in it. Peace. Clay
>>>>Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>Scott Lowery
>>>461 Sunnyview Drive, Rollingstone MN 55969
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>>>"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be
>>>counted counts." Albert Einstein
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>>>"You can fool too many of the people too much of the time." James Thurber
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