Focus is of the highest priority to be sure. Earlier up in the thread I asked if the embedded GPU could be designed to most easily Compute Accelerate similar in general nature to Intel's Knight Corner. While the Intel effort pretty much failed as a graphics chip, it seems set to badly maul OpecCL and CUDA. Flexibility and reasonably _Ability_ will be the key points I think.
I should bow out for now until Timothy and company have a chance to comment. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 2:21 PM, "Ing. Daniel Rozsnyó" <[email protected]>wrote: > I would suggest to keep in the subject :) > > Make a graphics in steps like: > - framebuffer > - 2D compositing > - 2D drawing acceleration > - 3D > - low power optimization > > Today it really has to be connected with PCIe, on FPGA you can get even > PCIe 2.0 in reasonable price. > > It can be coded on a FPGA development kit and later price optimized to > include components which are really needed. > > > "Having focus is a key aspect for having succcess." > > > Daniel > > > > > On 12/07/2012 11:16 PM, Gregory Carter wrote: > >> So are you suggesting a Mali type SoC that can run Android games? >> >> Sort of like selling a Android game console for google play so you can >> play games on your big screen? >> >> You know that might work for a revenue stream. >> >> With an SoC in a box that connects to Googe Play, with maybe a pad >> accessory and HDMI output you could sell those pretty cheap. >> >> You could also use it for Netflix, Browse the Internet from the couch. >> >> -gc >> >> >> >> On 12/07/2012 04:06 PM, gary sheppard wrote: >> >>> I honestly think because of ARM's encroachment there is a window of >>> opportunity for a "PC" that is powered by something other than x86. >>> Keep in >>> mind Joe six pack has no clue what "chip" arch is inside. They just care >>> about the internet, facebook, email, and a few games. With android and >>> ARM >>> making waves, we would do well to look into what it would take to "port" >>> app's over to whatever arch we run with. >>> >>> On the other hand if we were to run with OpenSPARC our most likely game >>> plan would be more University / Educationally oriented. That does not >>> mean >>> we should forgo a means to Port things like Steam and their Source >>> Engine. >>> Hey, everyone likes some kind of game :) >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Gregory Carter <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I am not a SoC expert but I think the general idea of a lot of these GPU >>>> designs tie them to CPU's and whole memory infrastructure as well, which >>>> makes the whole software end of things really a mess. Sending >>>> messages to >>>> a Mali GPU in MIPS from a Intel BUS does not after thinking about >>>> some of >>>> the comments here sound very well, efficient. >>>> >>>> I think that would go for just about any chip infrastructure that is >>>> integrated. >>>> >>>> We really need something that is naked/bare and tied only to PCI/Xpress. >>>> Which at the moment from what I can find ties us to Nvidia, AMD or >>>> a chip >>>> that we make. >>>> >>>> Certainly it is most efficient. >>>> >>>> Perhaps we need a marketing plan instead? We could use my last idea, >>>> however, we buy AMD chips, put them on boards and compete in the market >>>> place and use the funds to build a open GPU. >>>> >>>> Although, if AMD found out what we were doing with the profits, I think >>>> they might get upset and probably sue us. >>>> >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> -gc >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/07/2012 03:33 PM, gary sheppard wrote: >>>> >>>> Unless some one has an ARM Lic. perhaps either OpenRISC or OpenSPARC >>>>> would >>>>> be a better starting place. While I do like the momentum of ARM the >>>>> price >>>>> of admission might be prohibitive. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 1:04 PM, "Ing. Daniel Rozsnyó" >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> These integrated GPU's are not available without the processor. >>>>> And you >>>>> >>>>>> will have very hard time, to find one which has PCIe (and that >>>>>> would be >>>>>> pcie host not device). >>>>>> >>>>>> Putting a SoC on a PCIe card has no real benefit. You are probably >>>>>> trapped >>>>>> in a recursion - and if you get again to the surface, you has to >>>>>> acknowledge that you can do your work on the SoC itself. No need to >>>>>> put >>>>>> it >>>>>> into another system. >>>>>> >>>>>> Daniel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/07/2012 10:00 PM, Gregory Carter wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, what about the Mali GPU work being done right now? >>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.malideveloper.com/******developer-resources/** >>>>>>> drivers/****<http://www.malideveloper.com/****developer-resources/drivers/****> >>>>>>> <http://www.**malideveloper.com/**developer-**resources/drivers/**<http://www.malideveloper.com/**developer-resources/drivers/**> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> open-source-mali-gpus-linux-******kernel-device-drivers.php<**http** >>>>>>> ://www.malideveloper.com/****developer-resources/drivers/**<http://www.malideveloper.com/**developer-resources/drivers/**> >>>>>>> open-source-mali-gpus-linux-****kernel-device-drivers.php<http** >>>>>>> ://www.malideveloper.com/**developer-resources/drivers/** >>>>>>> open-source-mali-gpus-linux-**kernel-device-drivers.php<http://www.malideveloper.com/developer-resources/drivers/open-source-mali-gpus-linux-kernel-device-drivers.php> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seems like the source code is available, and at least one Linux >>>>>>> desktop >>>>>>> at the moment is up on OpenGL ES, which might be a little more >>>>>>> realistic >>>>>>> than a Ivy Bridge setup on a card. (Which people have written to me >>>>>>> that that is not really practical. Although they haven't spelled out >>>>>>> the specifics. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OpenGL ES is supported by KDE 4.10 right now, or at least I think >>>>>>> Kwin >>>>>>> builds and runs fine on it completely accelerated last time I looked. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe a little Mali coprocessor to start would be a better idea to >>>>>>> getting a card out quickly to get a revenue stream for funding a open >>>>>>> architecture. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -gc >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/07/2012 02:06 AM, Dieter BSD wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So how much interest is there in my idea of a graphics card >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> with a framebuffer and a socket to optionally add the future gpu? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can we build one with existing off the shelf parts (that have >>>>>>>>>> datasheets)? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Daniel writes: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am interested, but my target is to pack it into a mini-pcie >>>>>>>>> embedded >>>>>>>>> design, however I can live with the fact that it can be >>>>>>>>> prototyped as >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> standard PCIe card. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They make adapters to plug mini-pcie cards into PCIe slots. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1) Is a mini-pcie card large enough? 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