IRC was new to me and I have found it to work well and I think it is easy to 


Joan Kranich
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From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan 
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:53 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group <open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

I think an additional factor is that a lot of participants like IRC.  I know 
that some folks find face to face communication more natural and nuanced but I 
think there is a population that is very comfortable with and prefers textual.  
This isn't to dismiss the value of face to face but just to point out that I 
think a group opinion will vary a lot based on who is in the group.  It is 
possible that IRC isn't the defacto just because of some kind of inertia but 
the commonality of personalities over time who prefer it.

For my part there are times I think we would get more accomplished in face to 
face meetings but I tend to prefer IRC for many purposes and like textual 

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 
<scott.tho...@sparkpa.org<mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org>> wrote:
Thank you, everyone, for your responses. Regarding the cost of another 
solution, I am sure, if all of the larger consortia contributed, we could come 
up with something. Having said that, the other reasons everyone gave for using 
IRC are indeed compelling. Who hasn’t been burned by a Java download when 
trying to access an on-line meeting? I can’t say I am thrilled. I’d be happy if 
I never had to see another command prompt in any context and was disappointed 
that I missed the recent documentation meeting because I could not get IRC to 
work, but I will avail myself of any practice sessions, and I may yet learn to 
love IRC. This is all new to me.

Thank you again.


From: Open-ils-general 
 On Behalf Of Holly Brennan
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 2:06 PM

To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

I’ll chime in, too, as a relative newcomer -

IRC was completely new to me three years ago, but I found it easy to learn the 
more “advanced” ins-and-outs (because there’s really nothing to learn when all 
you want to do is ask a question) . I like being able to hop on using any 
browser or program I want, with nothing to install, anytime I’ve needed to.

Sadly, I cannot say the same for any of the fancier meeting platforms. Most 
webinars I’ve used on these platforms require 15 minutes at the beginning of 
the session to explain how to chat/alert/etc, and there is usually someone who 
can’t connect to one or more parts. I have found myself in those situations, 
and I consider myself quite tech-savvy.

I love the simplicity (and yes, antiquity) of the IRC interface! (And there are 
many other benefits, as already stated)


Holly Brennan
Technology Specialist
Homer Public Library

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From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 9:46 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

A couple of pro-IRC points to consider as well:
- conversations are publicly logged and web-searchable
- despite the apparent intimidation factor for new users (mitigated by sessions 
like Yamil so generously offers), it's a low point of entry
- can accommodate hundreds (or thousands) of users who can participate in real 
time, making meetings truly public (the most I've seen teleconferencing 
software accommodate is maybe 15, increasing costs for whoever is hosting the 
I'm open to individual committees or the Evergreen Oversight Board occasionally 
using conference software for a more face-to-face feel, but I hope we will 
continue using IRC for most community business for the above reasons (and the 
ones Ben mentioned).
Just my two cents,

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Ben Shum 
<b...@evergreener.net<mailto:b...@evergreener.net>> wrote:

It's a reasonable question and one we should continue to evaluate over time.

One reason we did not always like products like gotomeeting, etc. was cost. 
While community volunteers could grant access to their organizations resources, 
the community itself never decided to spend money on platforms. Freenode IRC is 
free to use.

Another reason is cross platform compatibility; some of us used Linux 
workstations and these did not always play nicely with those applications.

After this many years on IRC, it's second nature to me, but I also see the 
value considering alternative solutions if we can work through all the 
logistics and continue to keep barriers of access to a minimum.

-- Ben

Sent from my Nexus 6
On May 9, 2016 12:01 PM, 
<scott.tho...@sparkpa.org<mailto:scott.tho...@sparkpa.org>> wrote:
I’d like to ask a general question about this since I am still fairly new to 
the community. Why has the Evergreen community opted to use IRC chat as an 
on-line meeting venue? The one time I used it I found it disconcerting in its 
antiquated look and feel and had difficulty with the etiquette. Why not use 
GoToMeeting, Blackboard Collaborate, or a similar product? The chat interface 
in these products is much closer to what most of us are used to and it would 
add in the possibility of using VOIP and screen sharing. I’ve been curious 
about this for a while....


Scott Thomas
Executive Director
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From: Open-ils-general 
 On Behalf Of Barbara Cormack
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 12:46 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

I second what Stuart said; I'd be interested.  Thanks! -- Barbara

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Forrest, Stuart 
<sforr...@bcgov.net<mailto:sforr...@bcgov.net>> wrote:
Yes please I missed the last one


From: Open-ils-general 
 On Behalf Of Yamil Suarez
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 11:59 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?


Last week the IRC practice time went well, and we had a good bunch of folks 
trying out IRC. I wanted to check in if there was interest for a second 
practice time. I am all for it, but I wanted to verify that there was community 
interest. Remember to include your colleagues that are not on this list that 
may want to learn.

I tend to pick times after 12 noon EST to allow those on the west coast to 
join, but I am willing to schedule something in the (east coast) morning too.

Thanks in advance,

Barbara Cormack
Project Manager
Equinox Software - Open Your Library
1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)

Chris Sharp
PINES System Administrator
Georgia Public Library Service
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Atlanta, Georgia 30345
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Rogan R. Hamby, Data and Project Analyst
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