I would rather see an android and ios project cross platform that's compelling 
enough by oracle with a fancy scene builder based impressive GUI and datafx 
mongodb backend 

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> On Jul 10, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Jeff Martin <j...@reportmill.com> wrote:
> 
> I wish Oracle would try to build an ecosystem around Java Client. If Sun had 
> done this, they could be Android right now. There might have been a few 
> dollars in that. There might still be.
> 
> If Oracle isn't trying to build an ecosystem around Java Client, and it's 
> just a hobby, I wish somebody would tell me. :-)
> 
> jeff
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:53 AM, David Hill <david.h...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/10/14, 10:40 AM, Jeff Martin wrote:
>>> That's not what Bill Gates or Steve Jobs said.
>> To be fair - both of those guys are trying to build an ecosystem - not just 
>> an OS, but an OS and tools and products layered on top of it. They want to 
>> create an environment that you want to come to and spend $$$.
>> 
>> Oracle's bottom line is about Big Data and the appware in the middle of it. 
>> That middle ware uses several technologies for graphical display and JavaFX 
>> is just one of them. Unless you are a middle ware customer, you probably 
>> have not seen any of them, because unlike MS Word, or Apple ITunes, they are 
>> not usually seen by the general public.
>> 
>> It certainly would be nice to have more JavaFX applications (real apps or 
>> even good demos) as it would help showcase the capabilities. Jasper has 
>> whipped together some interesting demo apps over the years for JavaOne
>> 
>> Any suggestions on good demo apps for small boards (Pi, i.MX6) ? (Existing 
>> or otherwise).
>> 
>> Dave
>>> 
>>> jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 9:32 AM, "Fabrizio 
>>>> Giudici"<fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:23:43 +0200, Jeff Martin<j...@reportmill.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree that Oracle should have an in-house apps team to create a few 
>>>>> real world apps. Sun's lack of this helped marginalize Java Client and
>>>> Corporates should only do what concerns their business and AFAIK Oracle's 
>>>> business was not to create real world apps (I mean, with the exception of 
>>>> IDEs or other apps for the management of Oracle apps). A technology owner, 
>>>> usually, when tries to create a real world app only creates a demonstrator 
>>>> of a real world app, which doesn't have any success.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect @ Tidalwave s.a.s.
>>>> "We make Java work. Everywhere."
>>>> http://tidalwave.it/fabrizio/blog - fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> David Hill<david.h...@oracle.com>
>> Java Embedded Development
>> 
>> "A man's feet should be planted in his country, but his eyes should survey 
>> the world."
>> -- George Santayana (1863 - 1952)
> 

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