Kudos on the "imagination" part... You are at least possibly right about Cisco.
And your quote "but only if they knew it wasn't going to disappear" is a nice summary of the intent of my reasonable question that never got "officially" answered. But then again, it was somewhat rhetorical in nature and the politician-styled responses and misdirection that followed were both expected and provided clarity-by-accident (or CBA - my new TLA for the day)... > On 11 Jun 2016, at 00:43, Mark Fortner <phidia...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Back to the original topic, since JMX is used to monitor servers and > applications, and since most of us don't write monitoring software, the > audience for it is by definition small. > > I would imagine that Oracle and perhaps a Cisco (or companies involved in > network monitoring) would be interested, but only if they knew it wasn't > going to disappear. > > Mark > >> On Jun 10, 2016 6:29 AM, "Felix Bembrick" <felix.bembr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access to an English >> language parser. I could translate my original question into Klingon and >> resubmit if that would help. >> >> And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is devoted to >> "ongoing OpenJFX development". Clearly I was under the misapprehension that >> it was about unicorns, angels and aliens. >> >> However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some clarification. >> >> Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss telephony >> equipment used by other organisations because such information is >> transparent and clearly indicates belief and commitment to their own >> technologies. >> >> Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics? >> >> And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was accidental)... >> >> > On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com> wrote: >> > >> > Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able. >> > >> > Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, please consider >> > that this mailing list is for discussion of ongoing OpenJFX development. >> > >> > If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, please do try to >> > find a more suitable venue for discussion of such interests. While I can't >> > help you find an adequate forum to discuss telephony equipment used by >> > employees of other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a >> > better place to do so in the future. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Dalibor Topic >> > -- >> > <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager >> > Phone: +494089091214<tel:+494089091214> | Mobile: +491737185961 >> > <tel:+491737185961> >> > >> > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg >> > >> > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >> > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München >> > Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 >> > >> > Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >> > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >> > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 >> > Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher >> > >> > <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing >> > practices and products that help protect the environment >> > >> >> On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick <felix.bembr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question. >> >> >> >> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs on >> >> their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around? >> >> >> >> No? >> >> >> >> Well I bet Apple employees do! >> >> >> >>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by >> >>> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults >> >>> showing 0 results. >> >>> >> >>> cheers, >> >>> dalibor topic >> >>> >> >>>> On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote: >> >>>> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a >> >>>> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in >> >>>> <JDK>/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK >> >>>> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8. >> >>>> >> >>>> Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug >> >>>> reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar >> >>>> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to >> >>>> determine how best to address this in JDK 9. >> >>>> >> >>>> Our options are: >> >>>> >> >>>> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support >> >>>> >> >>>> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would >> >>>> require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses >> >>>> internal packages >> >>>> >> >>>> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be >> >>>> one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods. >> >>>> >> >>>> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't >> >>>> being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to >> >>>> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving >> >>>> the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so >> >>>> requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and >> >>>> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem. >> >>>> >> >>>> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate >> >>>> it with the intention to remove it in a future release. >> >>>> >> >>>> -- Kevin >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager >> >>> Phone: +494089091214 <tel:+494089091214> | Mobile: +491737185961 >> >>> <tel:+491737185961> >> >>> >> >>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg >> >>> >> >>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >> >>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München >> >>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 >> >>> >> >>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >> >>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >> >>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 >> >>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher >> >>> >> >>> <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing >> >>> practices and products that help protect the environment
