Felix,
if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so at
https://community.oracle.com/welcome .
This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of Oracle's
products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development, specifically.
On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result in
removal from it without further warning.
cheers,
dalibor topic
On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote:
Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.
Only... it wasn't really, was it?
You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".
Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/*
Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for any
further confusion (hopefully)/*.
*/COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER
PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH
ORACLE MARKETS?/*
Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your
words, not mine).
(Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be
abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping
for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how */incredibly
enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX/*, I *know* there must be
hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about
them). That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you
want that don't you?
See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career
plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX!
Am I *still* in the wrong forum?
All my blessings,
Felix
P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of?
On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com
<mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>> wrote:
Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your
question:
Yes, I have considered a career in politics.
That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to
divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic
posts, such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you
attempted to discuss :
* the age of discussion participants,
* their telephony equipment and
* career plans,
none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.
Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list
for a week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any,
you'd like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.
As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing
list is a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself
as well, judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of
bitterness in your posts.
You can change that.
All the best,
Dalibor Topic
[0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/
On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote:
Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access
to an English language parser. I could translate my original
question into Klingon and resubmit if that would help.
And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is
devoted to "ongoing OpenJFX development". Clearly I was under
the misapprehension that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens.
However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some
clarification.
Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss
telephony equipment used by other organisations because such
information is transparent and clearly indicates belief and
commitment to their own technologies.
Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics?
And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was
accidental)...
On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic
<dalibor.to...@oracle.com <mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>>
wrote:
Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able.
Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that,
please consider that this mailing list is for discussion of
ongoing OpenJFX development.
If instead you would prefer to discuss something else,
please do try to find a more suitable venue for discussion
of such interests. While I can't help you find an adequate
forum to discuss telephony equipment used by employees of
other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a
better place to do so in the future.
Cheers,
Dalibor Topic
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On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick
<felix.bembr...@gmail.com
<mailto:felix.bembr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.
On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees
all have Macs on their desktops and carry iPhones and
iPads around?
No?
Well I bet Apple employees do!
On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic
<dalibor.to...@oracle.com
<mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>> wrote:
I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely
used, judging by
https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
showing 0 results.
cheers,
dalibor topic
On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped
a JMX plugin as a
separate jar file along with the JDK (not part
of the JRE) in
<JDK>/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this
plugin stopped prior to JDK
8 being shipped, although we continued to ship
javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
Are there any developers that still use this? We
haven't seen any bug
reports or had questions on it for quite a
while. I note that this jar
file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111
and we are trying to
determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
Our options are:
1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file,
meaning that any use would
require command line qualified exports to be
added since it uses
internal packages
3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module,
javafx.jmx; it would not be
one of the default modules, so it would need to
be added with -addmods.
Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work,
and given that it isn't
being actively maintained, might be a viable
solution. If we do need to
keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3,
while still preserving
the ability for developers to use it. This is
only used for tooling, so
requiring qualified exports, as is done for
Robot and
PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we
probably will deprecate
it with the intention to remove it in a future
release.
-- Kevin
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