On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Robert Krüger <krueger@lesspain.software> wrote: > Only regarding the net loss for the community: There are not many places > where people trying to defend (and make a living off) Java as a viable > desktop technology can try to get information from Oracle and the questions > he asks are also the ones we (as an ISV with a Java-based product) would > ask, so I do regard them as valuable. > > Having said that, I understand, however that those things will never get an > answer here (never have in the past, having asked such questions myself). > > Just writing that so Felix does not feel that he's alone with his concerns > and to add another data point on the Oracle radar that Houston, we do have > a real problem here and quite a few frustrated Java advocates.
Eh, I thought this thread was finally over... This mailing list is definitely not the place to discuss such things. Discussing Oracle plans is something only Oracle can do, so asking about those on a development mailing lists doesn't work out. As for more general things, even including adoption of the technology, that may be more or less related to actual development, there are other, better, places, for example FOSDEM and JavaOne are just two of the various conferences that generated great and very useful deal of discussions over the years. If you care about participating in a constructive manner, you should check those out, really. There are other channels, too. For instance, the Adoption Group is a great place to start asking questions. No, not questions like what Oracle is planning to do with XXX, you won't find answer for those there, but you'll be directed in how to contribute, and contribution means also discussing in a constructive manner (this can also have the form harsh criticism at times, btw, as long as is not gratuitous). That said, it has happened in the past, and will certainly happen in the future, that some questions that touch areas perhaps less round regarding the actual development like interest is specific means of integrations or specific issues about adoption, etc... find a place of discussion here. This is not how generally works, because this is about development, but it's understandable in a living Community to also take *some* discussion at that level. The problem here is another one. First, insisting when somebody have been asked, politely, to stop, and the second and most important is the manner of presenting ones idea, by hijacking a purely development oriented thread with random and totally unclear questions, attempted sarcasm and just lots of negativity. A thread, btw, that asked the Community suggestions how to proceed regarding the removal of rather unused code, so instead of having a constructive participation in a technically oriented thread, the thread was hijacked with harsh resentment both on and especially off-list resulting in just a missed opportunity if you ask me. Just to conclude, there are just too many layers before our voices can be heard by who makes decision, if we start off by screaming chances are that our messages will never go through, instead ranting and offending only has the effect of lowering ones credibility, so if you fall on this side, even with the best intentions, your "contributions" will likely end up nowhere. Please, let's try to be constructive, there is a place and a time for everything. Cheers, Mario -- pgp key: http://subkeys.pgp.net/ PGP Key ID: 80F240CF Fingerprint: BA39 9666 94EC 8B73 27FA FC7C 4086 63E3 80F2 40CF Java Champion - Blog: http://neugens.wordpress.com - Twitter: @neugens Proud GNU Classpath developer: http://www.classpath.org/ OpenJDK: http://openjdk.java.net/projects/caciocavallo/ Please, support open standards: http://endsoftpatents.org/
