Are you saying that I have negatively contributed to OpenJFX or JavaFX in general?
I am one of the most vocal, passionate and positive advocates for OpenJFX and JavaFX. > On 13 Jun 2016, at 22:45, dalibor topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com> wrote: > > Felix, > > This is an open source Project's mailing list, specifically for technical > discussions of that Project's development. It's not an 'open' forum suitable > for discussion of other issues. > > Removing participants that continue to abuse the privilege of being on an > open source project's mailing list is a useful tool to deal with individuals > which contribute negatively to a project, if they don't seem to be able to > change their act. > > cheers, > dalibor topic > >> On 13.06.2016 14:11, Felix Bembrick wrote: >> Dear Dalibor, >> >> "This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of >> Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development, >> specifically." >> >> Read that again. Thank you for giving me the clear answer you promised! >> >> And thanks for the warning in case I accidentally start "spamming". But >> surely you wouldn't remove anyone from an "open" forum would you? >> >> Blessings, >> >> Felix >> >> On 13 Jun 2016, at 21:17, dalibor topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com >> <mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>> wrote: >> >>> Felix, >>> >>> if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so >>> at https://community.oracle.com/welcome . >>> >>> This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of >>> Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development, >>> specifically. >>> >>> On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result >>> in removal from it without further warning. >>> >>> cheers, >>> dalibor topic >>> >>>> On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote: >>>> Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response. >>>> >>>> Only... it wasn't really, was it? >>>> >>>> You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question". >>>> >>>> Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/* >>>> >>>> Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for any >>>> further confusion (hopefully)/*. >>>> >>>> */COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER >>>> PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH >>>> ORACLE MARKETS?/* >>>> >>>> Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your >>>> words, not mine). >>>> >>>> (Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be >>>> abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping >>>> for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how */incredibly >>>> enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX/*, I *know* there must be >>>> hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about >>>> them). That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you >>>> want that don't you? >>>> >>>> See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career >>>> plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX! >>>> >>>> Am I *still* in the wrong forum? >>>> >>>> All my blessings, >>>> >>>> Felix >>>> >>>> P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com >>>> <mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com> >>>> <mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your >>>> question: >>>> >>>> Yes, I have considered a career in politics. >>>> >>>> That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to >>>> divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic >>>> posts, such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you >>>> attempted to discuss : >>>> >>>> * the age of discussion participants, >>>> * their telephony equipment and >>>> * career plans, >>>> >>>> none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX. >>>> >>>> Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list >>>> for a week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any, >>>> you'd like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development. >>>> >>>> As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing >>>> list is a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself >>>> as well, judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of >>>> bitterness in your posts. >>>> >>>> You can change that. >>>> >>>> All the best, >>>> Dalibor Topic >>>> >>>> [0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote: >>>> >>>> Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access >>>> to an English language parser. I could translate my original >>>> question into Klingon and resubmit if that would help. >>>> >>>> And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is >>>> devoted to "ongoing OpenJFX development". Clearly I was under >>>> the misapprehension that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens. >>>> >>>> However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some >>>> clarification. >>>> >>>> Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss >>>> telephony equipment used by other organisations because such >>>> information is transparent and clearly indicates belief and >>>> commitment to their own technologies. >>>> >>>> Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in >>>> politics? >>>> >>>> And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was >>>> accidental)... >>>> >>>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic >>>> <dalibor.to...@oracle.com >>>> <mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com> <mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Felix, unfortunately your original question was not >>>> parse-able. >>>> >>>> Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, >>>> please consider that this mailing list is for discussion of >>>> ongoing OpenJFX development. >>>> >>>> If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, >>>> please do try to find a more suitable venue for discussion >>>> of such interests. While I can't help you find an adequate >>>> forum to discuss telephony equipment used by employees of >>>> other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a >>>> better place to do so in the future. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Dalibor Topic >>>> -- >>>> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product >>>> Manager >>>> Phone: +494089091214 <tel:%2B494089091214><tel:+494089091214 >>>> <tel:%2B494089091214>> | Mobile: +491737185961 >>>> <tel:%2B491737185961> >>>> <tel:+491737185961 <tel:%2B491737185961>> >>>> >>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg >>>> >>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >>>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München >>>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 >>>> >>>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >>>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >>>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. >>>> 30143697 >>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val >>>> Maher >>>> >>>> <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to >>>> developing >>>> practices and products that help protect the environment >>>> >>>> On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick >>>> <felix.bembr...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:felix.bembr...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:felix.bembr...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original >>>> question. >>>> >>>> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees >>>> all have Macs on their desktops and carry iPhones and >>>> iPads around? >>>> >>>> No? >>>> >>>> Well I bet Apple employees do! >>>> >>>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic >>>> <dalibor.to...@oracle.com >>>> <mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com> >>>> <mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely >>>> used, judging by >>>> >>>> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults >>>> showing 0 results. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> dalibor topic >>>> >>>> On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote: >>>> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped >>>> a JMX plugin as a >>>> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part >>>> of the JRE) in >>>> <JDK>/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this >>>> plugin stopped prior to JDK >>>> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship >>>> javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8. >>>> >>>> Are there any developers that still use this? We >>>> haven't seen any bug >>>> reports or had questions on it for quite a >>>> while. I note that this jar >>>> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 >>>> and we are trying to >>>> determine how best to address this in JDK 9. >>>> >>>> Our options are: >>>> >>>> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling >>>> support >>>> >>>> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, >>>> meaning that any use would >>>> require command line qualified exports to be >>>> added since it uses >>>> internal packages >>>> >>>> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, >>>> javafx.jmx; it would not be >>>> one of the default modules, so it would need to >>>> be added with -addmods. >>>> >>>> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, >>>> and given that it isn't >>>> being actively maintained, might be a viable >>>> solution. If we do need to >>>> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, >>>> while still preserving >>>> the ability for developers to use it. This is >>>> only used for tooling, so >>>> requiring qualified exports, as is done for >>>> Robot and >>>> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem. >>>> >>>> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we >>>> probably will deprecate >>>> it with the intention to remove it in a future >>>> release. >>>> >>>> -- Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal >>>> Product Manager >>>> Phone: +494089091214 <tel:%2B494089091214> >>>> <tel:+494089091214 <tel:%2B494089091214>> | Mobile: >>>> +491737185961 <tel:%2B491737185961> >>>> <tel:+491737185961 <tel:%2B491737185961>> >>>> >>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | >>>> 22761 Hamburg >>>> >>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >>>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München >>>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 >>>> >>>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >>>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >>>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer >>>> Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 >>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan >>>> Schultheiss, Val Maher >>>> >>>> <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is >>>> committed to developing >>>> practices and products that help protect the >>>> environment >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager >>>> Phone: +494089091214 <tel:%2B494089091214> <tel:+494089091214 >>>> <tel:%2B494089091214>> | Mobile: +491737185961 <tel:%2B491737185961> >>>> <tel:+491737185961 <tel:%2B491737185961>> >>>> >>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg >>>> >>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >>>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München >>>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 >>>> >>>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >>>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >>>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 >>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher >>>> >>>> <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing >>>> practices and products that help protect the environment >>> >>> -- >>> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager >>> Phone: +494089091214 <tel:+494089091214> | Mobile: +491737185961 >>> <tel:+491737185961> >>> >>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg >>> >>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München >>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 >>> >>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 >>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher >>> >>> <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing >>> practices and products that help protect the environment > > -- > <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > Phone: +494089091214 <tel:+494089091214> | Mobile: +491737185961 > <tel:+491737185961> > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München > Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 > > Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 > Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher > > <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing > practices and products that help protect the environment
