Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response. Only... it wasn't really, was it?
You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question". Great! *So why have you still not answered it?* Let me put it another way *so as there can be no possible room for any further confusion (hopefully)*. *COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH ORACLE MARKETS?* Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your words, not mine). (Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how *incredibly enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX*, I *know* there must be hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about them). That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you want that don't you? See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX! Am I *still* in the wrong forum? All my blessings, Felix P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of? On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com> wrote: > Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your question: > > Yes, I have considered a career in politics. > > That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to divert[0] > technical discussions in this community with off-topic posts, such as your > contributions to this thread so far, where you attempted to discuss : > > * the age of discussion participants, > * their telephony equipment and > * career plans, > > none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX. > > Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list for a > week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any, you'd like > to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development. > > As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing list is a > net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself as well, judging > by what seems to be an increasing amount of bitterness in your posts. > > You can change that. > > All the best, > Dalibor Topic > > [0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/ > > > On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote: > >> Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access to an >> English language parser. I could translate my original question into >> Klingon and resubmit if that would help. >> >> And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is devoted to >> "ongoing OpenJFX development". Clearly I was under the misapprehension >> that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens. >> >> However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some clarification. >> >> Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss telephony >> equipment used by other organisations because such information is >> transparent and clearly indicates belief and commitment to their own >> technologies. >> >> Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics? >> >> And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was >> accidental)... >> >> On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com> wrote: >>> >>> Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able. >>> >>> Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, please >>> consider that this mailing list is for discussion of ongoing OpenJFX >>> development. >>> >>> If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, please do try to >>> find a more suitable venue for discussion of such interests. While I can't >>> help you find an adequate forum to discuss telephony equipment used by >>> employees of other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a >>> better place to do so in the future. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Dalibor Topic >>> -- >>> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager >>> Phone: +494089091214<tel:+494089091214> | Mobile: +491737185961 >>> <tel:+491737185961> >>> >>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg >>> >>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München >>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 >>> >>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 >>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher >>> >>> <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing >>> practices and products that help protect the environment >>> >>> On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick <felix.bembr...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question. >>>> >>>> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs >>>> on their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around? >>>> >>>> No? >>>> >>>> Well I bet Apple employees do! >>>> >>>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by >>>>> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults >>>>> showing 0 results. >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> dalibor topic >>>>> >>>>> On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote: >>>>>> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a >>>>>> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in >>>>>> <JDK>/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to >>>>>> JDK >>>>>> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8. >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug >>>>>> reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar >>>>>> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to >>>>>> determine how best to address this in JDK 9. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our options are: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use >>>>>> would >>>>>> require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses >>>>>> internal packages >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be >>>>>> one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with >>>>>> -addmods. >>>>>> >>>>>> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it >>>>>> isn't >>>>>> being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need >>>>>> to >>>>>> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving >>>>>> the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, >>>>>> so >>>>>> requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and >>>>>> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will >>>>>> deprecate >>>>>> it with the intention to remove it in a future release. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Kevin >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager >>>>> Phone: +494089091214 <tel:+494089091214> | Mobile: +491737185961 >>>>> <tel:+491737185961> >>>>> >>>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg >>>>> >>>>> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG >>>>> Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München >>>>> Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 >>>>> >>>>> Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. >>>>> Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande >>>>> Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 >>>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing >>>>> practices and products that help protect the environment >>>>> >>>> > -- > <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager > Phone: +494089091214 <tel:+494089091214> | Mobile: +491737185961 > <tel:+491737185961> > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg > > ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG > Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München > Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 > > Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. > Hertogswetering 163/167, 3543 AS Utrecht, Niederlande > Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 > Geschäftsführer: Alexander van der Ven, Jan Schultheiss, Val Maher > > <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing > practices and products that help protect the environment >