[...]
> I've also seen Motif on Gnome. The problem is that
> the Gnome window
> manager doesn't do what a window manager is supposed
> to do. Its not
> Motif's fault; that's Gnome's fault for being buggy
> and non-compliant
> with window manager requirements. Its a toy.
[...]

While I can't speak to your specific criticisms, my limited
experience with typical GNOME desktops is that they are at
least as quirky as anything else, if in different ways; so you might
be dead on, except perhaps for one point: one can use GNOME
with a variety of window managers, hopefully some _are_ relatively
compliant.  (I gather it used to be distributed with sawfish, but Sun
uses metacity for whatever reason; from the descriptions, I think
I might prefer enlightenment or IceWM, but haven't been interested
enough to try them all.)

> BTW, I've also pestered The Open Group to opensource
> CDE. Some more
> features would be good, but key is that CDE has the
> foundations of a
> good standards compliant desktop manager.  Gnome gets
> confused by
> AFS/NFS home dirs when the same user logs into
> multiple systems--Gnome
> is a toy.

I too would like to see that happen.  There are a number of
interesting tools that could be written if for example libDtSvc
were open.  Some can be done without it - I used xscope to see
how dtstyle told dtwm to restart, and discovered a generic
mechanism for sending f. commands to dtwm; that was enough
that I could write a utility to do that so that shell scripts like the
one used in the action to edit one's .dtwmrc file could trigger a
dtwm restart.

But more than that, I'd like a way to keep CDE around regardless
of what any given distro maintainer wants to support, as well as
to "fix" a few things that have long bugged me (like the lack in dtterm of
an alternate buffer for e.g. vi, so that on exiting the cursor-addressible
application, it can restore the previous window contents; xterm can
do it, so dtterm certain _ought_ to be able to).

> There really is a reason that people still run Solaris instead of Linux.  
> I suggest you give some thought as to why that is.  Failure to figure
> hat out probably isn't a good thing, but fortunately the Solaris source
> is now mostly all free and the non-free code seems to be getting
> whittled down; So, if you fail, someone else can pick it up.

CDE/Motif probably isn't the largest such reason, but I don't disagree
that it might be one of them.
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