> On Mar 21, 2016, at 5:33 AM, Thierry Carrez <[email protected]> wrote: > > Doug Hellmann wrote: >> I won't be able to make the TC meeting this week because of travel, >> so I wanted to lay out my thoughts on the three PTL-less projects >> based on the outcome of the recent election (EC2-API, Winstackers, >> and Stable Maintenance). >> [...] > > First of all, I think we need to recognize that with more than 50 project > teams, it's pretty likely there will always be people missing the nomination > boat for one reason or another. Small and understaffed projects just make it > even more likely, as the pool of candidates there is so small. I actually > find it easier to excuse EC2API and Winstackers handful of contributors for > missing it in Mitaka, than to excuse Magnum and its hundred of contributors > for missing it in Liberty.
Forgiveness is fine, but our governance process is one of the few explicit things we list as required of official teams, and I think we should consider it a strong requirement for remaining actively listed no matter the size or age of the team. > >> The EC2-API project doesn't appear to be very actively worked on. >> There is one very recent commit from an Oslo team member, another >> couple from a few days before, and then the next one is almost a >> month old. Given the lack of activity, if no team member has >> volunteered to be PTL I think we should remove the project from the >> official list for lack of interest. > > The EC2API project is a bit of a corner case: something we want to exist as > an official project but which is critically understaffed. Missing the PTL > nomination boat is more a sign of this understaffing than anything else. I > suspect we still very much want this to exist, so I'm not convinced we should > take this opportunity to remove the project. > > If anything, I hope this situation that may remind the various stakeholders > depending on that functionality to be present and maintained that it doesn't > exist in a vacuum. Open source software is not magic ponies giving you > free-as-in-beer software. You need the people who depend on the feature to > support (directly or indirectly) its maintenance. No matter how much we need the project, failing to demonstrate that the team is actually involved is a bad sign. It sounds like there was a recent change in leadership that made it unclear of the need to formally declare a candidacy, so maybe we just need to work on making that more clear. > >> The Winstackers project is much more active in the repository, but >> there doesn't seem to be much traffic on the mailing list. It's not >> clear why no one signed up to be PTL, and I couldn't find a notice >> that the current PTL is not running. I'm tempted to suggest removing >> Winstackers from the official project list for lack of participation >> in project governance, but perhaps a probation period is in order >> since it's a relatively new team. Probation would depend on having >> the team find a PTL volunteer, of course. > > I suspect this one is more of a classic "didn't pay attention" case. Since I > don't think we need Winstackers as an official project as much as we need > EC2API, we should definitely have a discussion about whether it's still worth > keeping as an official project or if it would be as good to just make it an > unofficial project. > >> The situation with the Stable Maintenance team is ironically shaky. >> The outgoing PTL has entered the Nova PTL election, though he has >> said he would take up the Stable team work again if he does not >> become Nova PTL. That election will not be over until 24 March, so >> I think we should wait before taking any action. If Matt becomes >> Nova PTL, and no other volunteer steps forward, I will take on the >> responsibilities, though I do want to keep the Stable team separate >> from the Release team. That said, I would very much prefer to have >> someone else be the Stable team PTL so I hope we can find a volunteer. > > The situation with stable maintenance is a bit of a corner case too. Matt > would have stayed PTL for stable if he wasn't elected for Nova, and Tony, > being an election official, couldn't really throw his name in the PTL > election hat at the last minute. I think this is a case where the TC looking > at the potential names and making their choice will be working as intended I agree with Sean that we should clarify the situation with having election officials participate as PTL. Doug > > -- > Thierry Carrez (ttx) > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: [email protected]?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: [email protected]?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
