-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 James Ogley wrote: >> Meanwhile it would be great to get some more opinions / comments on this >> topic! Everyone, don't hesitate to speak out now... ;) > > Well, I'd certainly be in favour of a couple of key community members > being part of the Core Team. I think given that the 'brand', all
+1 I don't see active community members being that much involved up to now, especially on the field of packaging (topics James and I, amongst a few others, are involved in). > marketing issues, trademarks relating to logos, and ultimately > entrepreneurial risk belongs to Novell::SUSE that it makes sense for the > majority of seats on the CT be held by staffers. Yes, obviously. I'm not having a problem with project and product management being made 100% by Novell/SUSE. They put many, many resources in it, they provide us with that fantastic, high-quality core distribution. That's perfectly fine with me. People complaining about not having their word to say in the product/project management have no clue about what it means, how much work is involed in it, how complex it is, and how much money Novell puts into that. To me, I prefer having less to say about the core distribution and have it done well, professionally, by qualified people who are paid fulltime to work on it than having some mess like Fedora. I can only speak on the topic of packaging and package management, as that's where I'm involved in. We talked already about the build servers, I addressed a number of ideas, directions and issues currently faced by community packagers, and I'd like to see them addressed in a way or another. Also, most of the mails and threads we had about that 2-3 months ago haven't been adressed nor picked up, drown into the mass of people asking for help about hardware issues and similar. That's not only lost time and efforts spending many hours writing mails and discussing about it, it's also demotivating. Personally, I don't really feel like trying to discuss it again and again, with not all that much coming from SUSE. I also know that Novell took the decision of "opening up" (aka openSUSE) too soon, rolling over the schedule the SUSE staff had in mind and hence, a lot of things still need some time to be done, discussed, decided. That's perfectly fine as well, but I'd like to have some more feedback. Not that you owe me anything lol, but it's just that building a community means involving it and keeping it informed about what's happening. If you stay for weeks and months without showing that something is happening (and how the progress is, even if it's not being worked on at the moment), people (in the community) lose their motivation about it. IMO, a proof is that on the opensuse-packager list, threads and ideas are only started by community members, not by SUSE staff. Christoph, I know you're very much involved into communication with the community, but I think there must be some more happening, also from other people @ SUSE. > I'd also like to see more of the CT blogging, but then, I'd like to see > more of the developers blogging, period. Yes, +100 Definately. Also, this mailing-list has become almost unusable and unproductive, overwhelmed with trolling (lately) and with people reporting issues that definately belong to suse-linux-e and not here. During the last few weeks there have been many more threads and mails about hardware/driver support issues than constructive discussions about the openSUSE community, how to interact and work together (Novell and the community), etc..., what is what I was actually expecting from this list. I've been really close to unsubcribe several times but then again, sometimes, there's a small thread like this one popping up. Proposal: - - either create a new list "opensuse-community" - - or clean this list from issues that belong to suse-linux-e Furthermore, having users, questions and solutions to issues spread over 2 lists is very counter-productive: less people to help, less people to see the solutions. I know suse-linux-e is very high traffic, but nevertheless. Personally, it turns me off to see this list spoiled with "my usb stick is slow", "my modem doesn't work", etc... - while such mails are perfectly fine and deserve attention and help, they don't belong on this list. At least that's my very humble and personal opinion about it. Maybe I'm wrong. If I am, please create a new list that's dedicated to discussing things like the openSUSE community itself. Progress, guys, and communication. While a number of topics have been advertised as being currently addressed by the core staff (*), we don't see much happening for several weeks. (*) http://www.opensuse.org/Core_Team_Issues Let's just pick this one: "(Official) Web forums". Status: "On hold, waiting for new Novell support forums to be ready for beta test." That's the status since.. what... one, two months ? Maybe I sound harsh, but it's definately not my intention to bash or criticize (at least not without trying to get some productive reaction out of it). I'm deeply committed to openSUSE, been very actively involved into making SUSE better for everyone, spending a huge amount of my free time to do so, and that's why I'd like to see it moving forward ;) But maybe we're all just too impatient, too hungry for being involved in it, because some of us have been waiting for years for this to happen. I certainly am. I should probably just wrap myself into more patience. Anyway, kudos to all the SUSE staffers, keep up the good work and.. maybe... communicate some more about it ;-) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDdgHrr3NMWliFcXcRAiNnAKCkUu9vBoHmzO+GBPiB7w80Flk6uACeNk/s GfFGfgLPKjVitHRLHr+UDV8= =FBk4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
