The thread's primary question is; Shall I a) let the ops4j domain names expire, or b) transfer them to someone else? If b), then Who/What?
The rest is "interesting" but actually "out of scope" for something very concrete in 10 weeks time. The full structure of community can in principle be discussed/decided later, or not... // Niclas On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < jeanbaptiste.ono...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree. > > What do you think I start a vote on the mailing list to propose to move to > ops4j.github.com ? > > Regards > JB > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM Peter Neubauer <neubauer.pe...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks Niclas for bringing up the issue! >> >> FWIW - I think Github is basically what OPS4J set out to be >> code-contribution-wise. IMHO going back to Apache is a matter of the >> community deciding if the barriers for governance/contribution are lower >> now. Otherwise - I think just moving everything to Github - only would be >> the lowest-threshold option here. >> >> /peter >> >> On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 8:50:52 AM UTC+1, Guillaume Nodet wrote: >>> >>> Imho, we should switch everything to github. I wouldn't even bother >>> paying for a domain, i think something like ops4j.github.org is enough. >>> >>> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 13:01, Toni Menzel <toni....@rebaze.com> a >>> écrit : >>> >>>> *TL/TR:* >>>> I'd be also happy to pay for ops4j.org (the one that is actively used >>>> atm). >>>> >>>> *Long version:* >>>> Since this is coming up now, there is a general question were to go >>>> with OPS4J in general. >>>> >>>> It predated github and probably was back then the easiest way to get >>>> hands dirty in a non-trivial java based OSS community where trust was >>>> default. Think about it, back then everyone could get write access to the >>>> subversion repo and start hacking on new or existing projects. Including >>>> admin access to jira and whatever else was existing back then. Pax URL, Pax >>>> Runner, Pax Exam, Pax Construct etc. all got initiated by individuals >>>> without asking for permission. I mean.. thats Names like Pax Tinybundles >>>> got to life.. but oh well. >>>> >>>> Now, why am I writing this: there is - at least for pax url, web and >>>> exam - a huge user base that seems to be quite healthy. Even if there is >>>> just that "ops4j" name of the github organization now, no website etc. >>>> >>>> So, question: what are the options? Let me just drop them here that >>>> come to my mind (ordered from easy-as-py to more complicated options): >>>> >>>> - keep things as is, find individual sponsors like I do with the >>>> Build Server (who uses that still by the way??), and JB or me (this >>>> means >>>> I'd be also fine to pay for the org domain that is in active use,too >>>> btw). >>>> It would be good to have two different companies or legal entities >>>> backing >>>> this anyway. >>>> - Modernize OPS4J a bit. Get it a landing page at least and a clear >>>> who is behind all this, who pays etc. Maybe look at Github Sponsoring to >>>> spread costs across user base - avoid single entity control. >>>> - Maybe look into making it a proper foundation or at least an >>>> entity that makes the work here eligible for future donations. I am not >>>> sure of this is worth it. But i feel Open Source != Open Governance. >>>> - Retire non active projects and donate active projects to apache. >>>> Probably difficult because of Intellectual Property) >>>> >>>> wdyt? >>>> Toni >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Toni Menzel | rebaze.com <https://www.rebaze.com> | growing developer >>>> culture* >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:37 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré < >>>> jeanbapti...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Niclas >>>>> >>>>> First of all, thanks a lot for all what you did (and still doing 😀). >>>>> >>>>> I’m ready to take the hand for the domain and finance them. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts ? >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> JB >>>>> >>>>> Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 12:13, Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> a >>>>> écrit : >>>>> >>>>>> Everyone, >>>>>> In a few months time (June), the OPS4J domain names are up for >>>>>> renewal. And I have been paying for those for 15 years now, and since I >>>>>> no >>>>>> longer participate in OPS4J I would like to transfer the domain names. >>>>>> But >>>>>> where to?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ideally a foundation that would be Ok to take it over, otherwise to a >>>>>> trusted community member. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ideas are welcome, and should be discussed. I have no opinion and >>>>>> will simply follow what you all can agree on. >>>>>> >>>>>> ops4j.org >>>>>> ops4j.net >>>>>> ops4j.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Niclas >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ------------------ >>>>>> OPS4J - http://www.ops4j.org - op...@googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "OPS4J" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to op...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ops4j/CADmm%2BKf7a0rzdkro7v-rxBV1p1-KkSMTE_BQT2HhUZyOUM9jyA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ops4j/CADmm%2BKf7a0rzdkro7v-rxBV1p1-KkSMTE_BQT2HhUZyOUM9jyA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> ------------------ >>>>> OPS4J - http://www.ops4j.org - op...@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "OPS4J" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to op...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ops4j/CAB8EV3QGMMWvzzCck96CxemuYgSiYWNcs%2BOGPXmtaKTthoJvrw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ops4j/CAB8EV3QGMMWvzzCck96CxemuYgSiYWNcs%2BOGPXmtaKTthoJvrw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> ------------------ >>>> OPS4J - http://www.ops4j.org - op...@googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "OPS4J" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to op...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ops4j/CAEjgzHT%2BYNAL3CA1dsqGpevhpoYsU9OYVUBi%3Df%2BMT9_u5ta3fw%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ops4j/CAEjgzHT%2BYNAL3CA1dsqGpevhpoYsU9OYVUBi%3Df%2BMT9_u5ta3fw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ------------------------ >>> Guillaume Nodet >>> >>> -- >> -- >> ------------------ >> OPS4J - http://www.ops4j.org - ops4j@googlegroups.com >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "OPS4J" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to ops4j+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ops4j/14adf9b2-1de0-4af5-835e-832c3c1e1185%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ops4j/14adf9b2-1de0-4af5-835e-832c3c1e1185%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > -- > ------------------ > OPS4J - http://www.ops4j.org - ops4j@googlegroups.com > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "OPS4J" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to ops4j+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ops4j/CAB8EV3RyG8sxL49uTn4pT2nssc5YtGy5G6w%3DvweJBXmMZ_4XZw%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/ops4j/CAB8EV3RyG8sxL49uTn4pT2nssc5YtGy5G6w%3DvweJBXmMZ_4XZw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- -- ------------------ OPS4J - http://www.ops4j.org - ops4j@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OPS4J" group. 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