As a former trainer I can understand exactly what Kevin is trying to say.
That is when you do training you need a platform for the students to learn.
In the case of EJB you don't say gee here is how it should work and have a
nice day. You say here is how it works and now lets have you build an
example. The spec does not help you and your students build a "working"
example. You need an app server.
As for the cost at $1500 a pop per workstation and a typical training room
of 15 workstations plus trainer workstation that is $24,000 not including
cost of hardware and other software to support training people on EJB like
JBuilder. JBuilder Enterprise is $2999 and you can see that a training room
can quickly become an expensive proposition without aid from the vendor. I
have not even begun to add the cost of developing courseware and
instructors.
Regardless, what is more disheartening is the lack of response from Orion.
Quite frankly the fast way to become the number one app server is by
training people. Those people then become your main sales force and with
little or no cost to the company.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Duffey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:41 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
I am sorry, but I don't quite understand how training of EJB on Orion is any
different than that of other platforms? You are trainging EJB, not the
vendor application server. EJB is EJB, no matter what platform it runs on.
If every vendor adhered to the spec as they should, an EJB will run on any
app server.
Also, are you providing an online service that teaches over the internet and
you need Orion to run that site? Or do you have in-class instruction and
each person in the class needs to use Orion? I am unclear as to why you only
need one license? Orion is free to use for all purposes other than
production use. I am not sure that an inclass training counts for production
use or not.
I am still stumped on why it is you need Orion specific EJB training.
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>
> All,
> Running a training program for EJB's gives me a different
> perspective when dealing with EJB application vendors like Orion.
> My experience is that they (expensive vendors like BEA ) offer
> institutions like mine free licences and trainers in the hopes
> that newly educated programmers would evangelize their products.
> I have repeatedly asked for assistance in training engineers in
> EJB's using the Orion product. They have refused to answer. All
> we ask is that they provide us with a single license so that we
> may set up an interactive training site for distance education
> for a "Java and the Internet Course".
>
> If they truly wish to educate java-programers in Orion, you'd
> think they'd jump at this. We charge no money for training, and
> we benefit the independant learner in the ways of programming
> EJB's with Orion.
>
> This course is open to all, but Orion's lack of response means
> none of us can gain from it.
>
> If you would like to learn more about the mystery of EJB'S, LET
> ORION KNOW. We need your help.
>
> Mike Van
> C.E.O. JUGerNaut
