>
>We've all tried presenting the facts to you regarding the Oracle deal, but
>all we seem to be getting in respose is a descent into your own personal
>madness. How about summing up the problems you have in a few short lines
>that won't cause cynics like me to laugh or respond so unpleasantly?
>
>Hani
>
In spite of your personal attacks on my mental condition, I will try one
more time to deal with facts and give yet another summary.
Before doing so, let me state that yesterday I made a third attempt to post
my response to Karl. I also sent it directly to Mike Cannon-Brookes asking
him to post it. So, three times now I've tried. Let me ask you and the
group, how many times must I try and fail to post that message before you
will believe that it's getting blocked? Seriously, just pick a number and
I'll try that many times.
Here's the summary:
- 6 months ago (Dec 7), Karl stated, "resources will initially be spent
more on building the organization and hiring the right people than would be
necessary if we didn't make the expansion."
- Since then, there have been several threads about lack of support:
"www.orionserver.com down again" (Dec 13), "What's going on with Orion?"
(Jan 4), "Is the List alive?" (Jan 4), "Any news from Orion yet??" (Jan
15), "Orion Team Needs New List Software" (Mar 14), "Impossible getting the
attention of the orion (support) team. Are they still around?" (Mar 19),
"Is the list dead?" (Apr 25)
- Since then, "hiring the right people" has not occurred.
- On Apr 18, Randy Kemp suggested Ironflare contact MySQL, which is also in
Sweden ("A Swedish Idea"). Like me, Randy was ridiculed by people, like
Hani, who used terms such as "bizarre", "this whole ridiculous discussion"
and "fairy tale".
- On Apr 23, I reported a production licensing violation directly to Karl.
He did not respond.
- On Apr 24, I reported the production licensing violation to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Karl responded, stating, "We'll check into it."
- On May 8, I asked Karl for a status on the licensing violation, but to
date, have gotten no response.
- On Jun 6, Bryan Young posted the following to this group: "I just read
about Orion being used as the base code for their 9i app server."
- On Jun 6, I responded, refering to the "A Swedish Idea" thread and
stating, "I TOLD YOU SO." I also stated, "I admire the way they've managed
to build a decent product without having to hire testers."
- On Jun 7, the day after my post, Karl responded via orion-interest,
stating, "We've never been in it for the money, but that doesn't mean that
you can survive in this society forever without having any money."
- On Jun 7, I tried to respond to Karl via orion-interest.
- On Jun 8, I made my second attempt to respond to Karl via orion-interest.
- On Jun 10, I made my third attempt to respond to Karl via orion-interest.
- I have tried three times to post my response to Karl, and been called
mentally unstable for suggesting that they might be blocking negative
comments.
- Neither Ironflare nor Oracle have ever really "announced" their
relationship. It's not "announced" at www.orionserver.com. Go to
http://www.oracle.com and look at their JavaOne pages and search for
"Orion". It's buried in the user manual, but not "announced".
So, my conclusions are:
- Ironflare/Evermind has not hired testers or other staff as promised 6
months ago. They don't have to, because the user community does all of
that (and more) for them.
- Ironflare is in it, at least in part, for big money; otherwise, they
would have collected from the production license violator.
- Ironflare will leave you hanging if you report license violations.
- Ironflare may be censoring messages.
I can't lay it out much better than that.
So, attack one of these facts and quit challenging my mental condition.
>From the asylum,
Jay
