oppss.... benefit does not necessarily mean monetary .... no worries red1, i can help out package it. the mdec grants will be open for application next year, so we should sit down in feb 2010 for this. adempiere is a billion dollar economic benefit - dont be too modest lah red1 ;-) otherwise the frenchy car companies would not be using them. there is always a value proposition when something is used by choice.
one of our grants was for krim (the club) for a community solar powered keropok lekor drying machine. benefit was local community can dry their keropok lekor within 4 hours instead of over 2 days. target market was keropok lekor usahawan in the kuala terengganu and marang districts which numbered xx (cant remember) - usage is free tak commercial pun. tapi sekarang ni underutilised - so the company is reviewing to invest further to increase usage. also we received grants for the solar photo-voltaic module factory which is commercial. the two grants that the software unit received were under peningkatan produktiviti (not research) for eoffice (which handles our internal claims, payroll, reservation of cars, inventory, and asset maintenance tracking) and recently siscomm (sistem community rakyat for managing the 40+ ict community centres in terengganu which involved translating the spreadsheets into an online database system). in total we got rm400k funding for both (when we applied we asked for double the amount - hahaha, itu pun salah satu tips and we put in a matching amount ie grant only pays 50% of the salary cost). both projects were in terms of cost savings and productivity benefits. tapi tak semua grant application was approved. the most recent that was declined was related to a proof of concept for a solar project - we were advised to get certification for the solar panel first - which we are currently doing. this was a technical issue - not commercial. the three things that you mentioned (idea, passion and telling more) is the basic foundation that helped us a lot. the 11 tips that i listed are what worked for us. tak tahu lah kalau one of the reasons was because we are located in terengganu (also known as the hintherlands) - then you guys should be thinking of moving to terengganu ;-) or melaka.... ;-) when people download and use a software, then there must be a reason or a benefit. even the air that we breathe has an economic value - even though it is free as in freedom and in free beer. but if the air is polluted (like during jerebu) then there is an economic cost. so the economic value for clean air is the opportunity cost of not having to spend to clean the air when it is polluted. krimnet have and continue to invest money in your idea, passion and insight. hehehe... you are still our most valuable person (mvp) ;-) unfortunately kami takde lah rm1 juta to spare like microsoft. it is also not fair to nurhizam, rafe and ritz to 'not mention' that you have received a little help through aeu and mdec. you need to continue helping us so that we can help you. red1 and myself are putting this on the public mailing list so that everyone can learn from the challenges and tips for grant application. kira macam panel on opposite sides dalam forum semasa lah... On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:30 AM, red1 <[email protected]> wrote: > I will be ranting abit here, so the others pls delete this if it bothers > you. > > Raja Iskandar Shah wrote: > > dalam kumpulan syarikat krimnet, kami sudah dapat 4 grant dari smidec dan > mosti. dan juga ada 2 lagi dari agensi lain. yg terbaru kami dapat 1 bulan > lepas. > > tips untuk permohonan grant : > > 1. tentukan anda hantar ke bentuk grant yg sesuai (commercial / > community) > 2. nyatakan dgn jelas syarat2 permohonan grant berkenaan > 3. sekiranya projek anda memerlukan rm500k jgn submit ke grant yg limit > rm100k > 4. usahakan sendiri, jgn harapkan org tengah > 5. nyatakan dgn jelas statement of need yg lebih mementingkan what they > need instead of what you need > 6. nyatakan dgn jelas cost v benefit bagi syarikat > 7. nyatakan dgn jelas target market dan benefit kepada mereka > 8. nyatakan dgn jelas apa yg akan dibelanjakan dan kenapa > 9. cashflow mesti jelas untuk meyakinkan perlaksanaan yg teliti > 10. tentukan bahawa fakta2 anda disokong oleh third party references > dan statistics > 11. tentukan semua soalan dijawab dgn lengkap > > Yang Mulia Raja, > Saya rujuk kat syarat tuan yang mulia sebut di atas. Please focus on my > line of questioning and prove to me that FOSS can fulfil those as i said > before it is proven that FOSS is not commercially viable. R&D, Innovation > and Creativity is never commercially viable. Allow me to begin one by one: > > i start with this syarat: 7. nyatakan dgn jelas target market dan benefit > kepada mereka. The answer is: THERE IS TARGET MARKET but NO and NEVER will > there be BENEFIT. Therefor such questions can never be true from your side. > What you got is for those commercially viable projects, not so FOSS. > > Why? Let me ask you. How can you verify a linux to fight against a market > player that controls 98% of the market here? Do you know the Netscape story? > It was controlling 99% of the market. Then MS makes its moves. Do you know > what moves i mean? Do you know why the US Anti-Trust Law came into play > against MS? > > ADempiere is viable because it existed in a blue ocean. Alamak.. tambah > lagi satu istilah bombastic - Laut Biru.. banyak sangat istilah.. faham ke? > Pls tell me what is meant by blue ocean. Research and all those heavy words > exist in the corridors of research institutions u name it from the west, > Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, but sorry not here. No.t UM, Not UTM Not AeU > even. > > The main keywords here are misplaced. When they say Innovasi and Research > or Creativity they do NOT mean those. What they meant are "Dapat Kerja" > "Jangan Menganggur" "Boleh Untung Cepat" "Tiada Risiko" "Jangan Gagal" > > All these words do not exist in Leonardo da Vinci, Thomas Edison, Marie > Curie and Alfred Nobel's books. They took risks, blow up the labs, not one > time, but many many times. People scorn and laugh at them. > > Again i ask you. What projects you get funding for? It is all for direct > benefit to govt directly. The other syarats you meantion clearly spelt that. > > The syarat should be: > > 1. Do you have an idea? > 2. Are you passionate about it? > 3. Can you tell me more? > > Many such questions were asked and that is how Google got USD1 m without > question from one MS shareholder while he was tying his shoe lace in his > garage, "I have no time for you, but can you take a cheque?" They take > risks, my brader. Not us. Anything that risks their positions or coffers > they wont do. > > Singapore, which is not a good example also throw billions to bring in MIT > lecturers. That is a bad way to get top 30 ranking. Really kiasu. We do not > have to. We have stars here. We have ppl who hit top 20. Bring in the > Olympiad. But olympians do not drive mercedeses. They work in the trenches. > Read the story of Muhammad Ali. People only exploit him when proven. We are > not supposed to be like that. We are supposed to learn from others > histories. We know our smart kids. But we do not trust them and ask them all > those non-relevant questions. We rather wait till they hit no.1 And then we > wait somemore until they kill the other no.1s. If they fail we smile and > said, "we told you so". IF they succeed, we say, "It is OURS." > > Those consultants that sit on the approval board are from where? From > research baraulurettes? Or from industry? And local non-relevant replicas at > that. I know some of them. They are my former classmates. Now in IBM, > Oracle, SAP. They told me all those bombastic terms. About market viability, > risk gearing, TCO, monetization. I appreciate and respect their concern. But > they copycaters, not thinkers. They say think out of the box, but they do > not practice those heavy phrases. They are kiasu. They jaga air muka dulu. > > No one of them will take me in debate because now i have one very simple > bullet. I have a project sitting on SF as No.1 They do not. They are just > journalists, reading newspapers and telling me about yesterdays' news. I am > taling about future-tense. Things unproven. I see in NG and DC on Astro > stories of how the west is won. Everyday they show technological advances > that has no bloody commercial applications in these century. The > Nano-battery, the cold-fusion, Large Hadron Collider, theses in Parallel > universes. > > I can go on and on, but i just do not want to earn your irk. Believe me > when i say, that the researching mind is not about asking "macamna nak cari > makan?". The researching mind is all about "what is there to know?" I have > no diploma nor degree. My whole life is about Ma Lam Yam - knowing (from > Allah al Ghaib) what we know not. That is not viable for people of awam. > When i become muslim it was not viable for my race nor family nor the > malays. They only give me 80 ringgit duit zakat which i find amusing. I was > eager for knowledge. > > So tell me. Tell me something i do not know. And do not go on this > unwinable debate, because you wont be able to throw any money into the > ADempiere Institute which i am being talking about all this while. Because > it is not viable. You need 100 grads to learn it. You need 5 yrs industry > experience. You need 20 pilot SME projects. You need to exchange with > Germany. You need benchmarking servers. You need to ask the world to whack > it. You need expos to expose it. You need to talk to CIOs, CFOs, CEOs till > the cows lie flat. I have done it for decades. It is not just these 5 years > i did this. > > red1 > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. 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