wah wah.. dah melayan youtube saje malam ni tuan.. hehe :) On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah < [email protected]> wrote:
> whoaa... i just found out if you paste a youtube link to google chat, you > can view the video on google chat..... > > cool..... > > what else can we embed in google chat ? > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> sorry wrong clip >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7gCd-C-Tys&feature=related >> >> // wrong state of mind as well >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> where's my money ? >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlIm-riMN6Q&feature=fvw >>> >>> ahaks... so long as no one goes to the extreme ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> i like azrul's proposition: >>>> 1. increase the salary to rm5000 per month per developer (basic pay jr >>>> programmer pun dah rm1500 per month - tak masuk epf contribution, >>>> allowance, >>>> leave, office space, administrative cost). kalau ikut std multiplier it >>>> should be rm5000 x 2.5 = rm12,500 >>>> 2. prototype development within 3 months onsite everyday at a designated >>>> lab. kalau masih tak caya boleh pasang cctv ;-) >>>> >>>> azrul is right as well. it's late. will blog a guide for the icon grant >>>> application after i submitted the application later in the week. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Najah <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Preeseed? Been there, done that... cuma takde rezeki. Planning to >>>>> submit again, with diffrent project. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Azrul Hasni MADISA < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I had enough and its late. Hopefully some investors are interested in >>>>>> my project. But here's a brief reason why did not apply for grants. (Now >>>>>> this is my personal opinion, you guys might not have the same >>>>>> requirement as >>>>>> me) >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) SKMM (MCMC), E-content, any content related grant >>>>>> - Not really for software development. I personally know someone whose >>>>>> game project was rejected under e-content because game is considered >>>>>> software dev. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) Preseed (MDEC) >>>>>> - They limit RM 1500 per developer per month. Rm 1500??? jual burger >>>>>> tepi jalan pun dapat banyak dari tu. Who wants to work for you for RM >>>>>> 1500?. Kalau ada pun, memang yang dah carik kerja merata tapi tak dapat >>>>>> (and >>>>>> malas pulak tu nak jual burger) . So keje la dapat Rm 1500. Code quality >>>>>> pon >>>>>> cam hampeh nyiok. Unit test pun tak tau buat. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Business plan. This is preseed for God sake. The proposal should be >>>>>> on 1 (read one... you know, satu) page. There should not be a business >>>>>> plan. >>>>>> Business plan is when you want to apply for seed funding. After all, >>>>>> technology moves so fast these days and so global, that your business >>>>>> plan >>>>>> would be relevant for only a few weeks at best. >>>>>> >>>>>> - 30+ freakin' pages to fill in. If this is a 2 million grant than >>>>>> that is probably ok, but this is preseed. Anything beyond 1 page is just >>>>>> fluff at best and total malicious lies at worst. >>>>>> >>>>>> - No funding for marketing or any sort of advertisement. >>>>>> >>>>>> - No continuation. What should you do once the fund has run out? Sell >>>>>> your software? wait a minute, you can't use your grant money for >>>>>> marketing... bummer :( . That's why many preseed companies are now stuck. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) Cradle Investment Fund >>>>>> - Long winded web form to fill in (web form? gosh, the best tech. for >>>>>> forms is PDF. Here's a bunch of them... free of charge. See, Adobe's >>>>>> business plan out the window already. They probably didn't deserve >>>>>> preseed >>>>>> grants.[ >>>>>> http://www.cogniview.com/convert-pdf-to-excel/post/pdf-editing-creation-50-open-sourcefree-alternatives-to-adobe-acrobat/ >>>>>> ]) >>>>>> >>>>>> - Again you have to supply a business plan that will be obsolete once >>>>>> you finish writing them >>>>>> >>>>>> + Supply you with a mentor (a really good deal) >>>>>> >>>>>> * No mention of limit on developer salary >>>>>> >>>>>> * No mention of continuation >>>>>> >>>>>> 5) MGS, DAGS, Technofund >>>>>> >>>>>> For established companies only. >>>>>> >>>>>> 6) Iconity (MDEC) >>>>>> >>>>>> Still new, form pun cannot be downloaded yet but it looks just as bad >>>>>> (still this RM 1500 per developer per month deal ... why is MDeC is sooo >>>>>> fixated on that, I have no idea - on similar note, if that is how much >>>>>> MDeC >>>>>> values software developers then screw grants, we have a bigger problem at >>>>>> our hand) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All and all, here's why I would say. Please MDeC, please don't let us >>>>>> jump through hoops and make us write long winded expired-in-2-weeks >>>>>> business >>>>>> plan anymore. This is preeseed. We are not asking millions. (Heck, most >>>>>> of >>>>>> us would gladly settle for a RM 50 k ). I think a simple proposal would >>>>>> do. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now MDeC would need a mechanism to filter out the bad from the good, >>>>>> here's my suggestion. Any proposal must finish a prototype in 3 months. >>>>>> Yes >>>>>> 3 months. Anyone asking more than that then ask them to create a long >>>>>> winded >>>>>> proposal, the usual drill, but give a green lane to anyone who is >>>>>> dedicated >>>>>> enough to do stuff in 3 months. You see, if a buddy and myself want to >>>>>> build, oh, say, a new CRM system, if we work everyday on it, 3 months is >>>>>> enough. Our salary oh, say RM 5000 each, that's RM 10k per month. Times 3 >>>>>> that is just RM 30,000. We use RM 10, 000 for to purchase dev machines. >>>>>> Maybe RM 5000 for hosting and another RM 5000 for small time marketing. >>>>>> We >>>>>> do not need an office. MDeC's lab (open source, jtrend and ntdc ... >>>>>> which >>>>>> is right now soooo under used) can be our temporary office. See, just RM >>>>>> 50k >>>>>> . Now if we fail, you lost RM 50 k. No biggie. If we succeed, then >>>>>> continuation grant, say RM 150 k , and RM 500 k after that should be >>>>>> guaranteed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Its late so if my rants are a bot inconsistent, maafkan saya >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, I'm just writing to express my personal gut wrenching feeling, >>>>>> not to belittle anyone. Certainly not MDeC or Cradle. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Azrul >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Saya tak percaya kalau FOSS komuniti tak dapat dana macam orang ni >>>>>>> dapat. 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