i like azrul's proposition: 1. increase the salary to rm5000 per month per developer (basic pay jr programmer pun dah rm1500 per month - tak masuk epf contribution, allowance, leave, office space, administrative cost). kalau ikut std multiplier it should be rm5000 x 2.5 = rm12,500 2. prototype development within 3 months onsite everyday at a designated lab. kalau masih tak caya boleh pasang cctv ;-)
azrul is right as well. it's late. will blog a guide for the icon grant application after i submitted the application later in the week. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Najah <khairunna...@gmail.com> wrote: > Preeseed? Been there, done that... cuma takde rezeki. Planning to submit > again, with diffrent project. > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Azrul Hasni MADISA <azrulha...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> I had enough and its late. Hopefully some investors are interested in my >> project. But here's a brief reason why did not apply for grants. (Now this >> is my personal opinion, you guys might not have the same requirement as me) >> >> 1) SKMM (MCMC), E-content, any content related grant >> - Not really for software development. I personally know someone whose >> game project was rejected under e-content because game is considered >> software dev. >> >> 2) Preseed (MDEC) >> - They limit RM 1500 per developer per month. Rm 1500??? jual burger tepi >> jalan pun dapat banyak dari tu. Who wants to work for you for RM 1500?. >> Kalau ada pun, memang yang dah carik kerja merata tapi tak dapat (and malas >> pulak tu nak jual burger) . So keje la dapat Rm 1500. Code quality pon cam >> hampeh nyiok. Unit test pun tak tau buat. >> >> - Business plan. This is preseed for God sake. The proposal should be on 1 >> (read one... you know, satu) page. There should not be a business plan. >> Business plan is when you want to apply for seed funding. After all, >> technology moves so fast these days and so global, that your business plan >> would be relevant for only a few weeks at best. >> >> - 30+ freakin' pages to fill in. If this is a 2 million grant than that is >> probably ok, but this is preseed. Anything beyond 1 page is just fluff at >> best and total malicious lies at worst. >> >> - No funding for marketing or any sort of advertisement. >> >> - No continuation. What should you do once the fund has run out? Sell your >> software? wait a minute, you can't use your grant money for marketing... >> bummer :( . That's why many preseed companies are now stuck. >> >> 3) Cradle Investment Fund >> - Long winded web form to fill in (web form? gosh, the best tech. for >> forms is PDF. Here's a bunch of them... free of charge. See, Adobe's >> business plan out the window already. They probably didn't deserve preseed >> grants.[ >> http://www.cogniview.com/convert-pdf-to-excel/post/pdf-editing-creation-50-open-sourcefree-alternatives-to-adobe-acrobat/ >> ]) >> >> - Again you have to supply a business plan that will be obsolete once you >> finish writing them >> >> + Supply you with a mentor (a really good deal) >> >> * No mention of limit on developer salary >> >> * No mention of continuation >> >> 5) MGS, DAGS, Technofund >> >> For established companies only. >> >> 6) Iconity (MDEC) >> >> Still new, form pun cannot be downloaded yet but it looks just as bad >> (still this RM 1500 per developer per month deal ... why is MDeC is sooo >> fixated on that, I have no idea - on similar note, if that is how much MDeC >> values software developers then screw grants, we have a bigger problem at >> our hand) >> >> >> >> >> All and all, here's why I would say. Please MDeC, please don't let us jump >> through hoops and make us write long winded expired-in-2-weeks business >> plan anymore. This is preeseed. We are not asking millions. (Heck, most of >> us would gladly settle for a RM 50 k ). I think a simple proposal would do. >> >> Now MDeC would need a mechanism to filter out the bad from the good, >> here's my suggestion. Any proposal must finish a prototype in 3 months. Yes >> 3 months. Anyone asking more than that then ask them to create a long winded >> proposal, the usual drill, but give a green lane to anyone who is dedicated >> enough to do stuff in 3 months. You see, if a buddy and myself want to >> build, oh, say, a new CRM system, if we work everyday on it, 3 months is >> enough. Our salary oh, say RM 5000 each, that's RM 10k per month. Times 3 >> that is just RM 30,000. We use RM 10, 000 for to purchase dev machines. >> Maybe RM 5000 for hosting and another RM 5000 for small time marketing. We >> do not need an office. MDeC's lab (open source, jtrend and ntdc ... which >> is right now soooo under used) can be our temporary office. See, just RM 50k >> . Now if we fail, you lost RM 50 k. No biggie. If we succeed, then >> continuation grant, say RM 150 k , and RM 500 k after that should be >> guaranteed. >> >> >> Its late so if my rants are a bot inconsistent, maafkan saya >> >> Again, I'm just writing to express my personal gut wrenching feeling, not >> to belittle anyone. 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