sorry wrong clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7gCd-C-Tys&feature=related
// wrong state of mind as well On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah < [email protected]> wrote: > where's my money ? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlIm-riMN6Q&feature=fvw > > ahaks... so long as no one goes to the extreme ;-) > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> i like azrul's proposition: >> 1. increase the salary to rm5000 per month per developer (basic pay jr >> programmer pun dah rm1500 per month - tak masuk epf contribution, allowance, >> leave, office space, administrative cost). kalau ikut std multiplier it >> should be rm5000 x 2.5 = rm12,500 >> 2. prototype development within 3 months onsite everyday at a designated >> lab. kalau masih tak caya boleh pasang cctv ;-) >> >> azrul is right as well. it's late. will blog a guide for the icon grant >> application after i submitted the application later in the week. >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Najah <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Preeseed? Been there, done that... cuma takde rezeki. Planning to submit >>> again, with diffrent project. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Azrul Hasni MADISA < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I had enough and its late. Hopefully some investors are interested in my >>>> project. But here's a brief reason why did not apply for grants. (Now this >>>> is my personal opinion, you guys might not have the same requirement as me) >>>> >>>> 1) SKMM (MCMC), E-content, any content related grant >>>> - Not really for software development. I personally know someone whose >>>> game project was rejected under e-content because game is considered >>>> software dev. >>>> >>>> 2) Preseed (MDEC) >>>> - They limit RM 1500 per developer per month. Rm 1500??? jual burger >>>> tepi jalan pun dapat banyak dari tu. Who wants to work for you for RM >>>> 1500?. Kalau ada pun, memang yang dah carik kerja merata tapi tak dapat >>>> (and >>>> malas pulak tu nak jual burger) . So keje la dapat Rm 1500. Code quality >>>> pon >>>> cam hampeh nyiok. Unit test pun tak tau buat. >>>> >>>> - Business plan. This is preseed for God sake. The proposal should be on >>>> 1 (read one... you know, satu) page. There should not be a business plan. >>>> Business plan is when you want to apply for seed funding. After all, >>>> technology moves so fast these days and so global, that your business plan >>>> would be relevant for only a few weeks at best. >>>> >>>> - 30+ freakin' pages to fill in. If this is a 2 million grant than that >>>> is probably ok, but this is preseed. Anything beyond 1 page is just fluff >>>> at >>>> best and total malicious lies at worst. >>>> >>>> - No funding for marketing or any sort of advertisement. >>>> >>>> - No continuation. What should you do once the fund has run out? Sell >>>> your software? wait a minute, you can't use your grant money for >>>> marketing... bummer :( . That's why many preseed companies are now stuck. >>>> >>>> 3) Cradle Investment Fund >>>> - Long winded web form to fill in (web form? gosh, the best tech. for >>>> forms is PDF. Here's a bunch of them... free of charge. See, Adobe's >>>> business plan out the window already. They probably didn't deserve preseed >>>> grants.[ >>>> http://www.cogniview.com/convert-pdf-to-excel/post/pdf-editing-creation-50-open-sourcefree-alternatives-to-adobe-acrobat/ >>>> ]) >>>> >>>> - Again you have to supply a business plan that will be obsolete once >>>> you finish writing them >>>> >>>> + Supply you with a mentor (a really good deal) >>>> >>>> * No mention of limit on developer salary >>>> >>>> * No mention of continuation >>>> >>>> 5) MGS, DAGS, Technofund >>>> >>>> For established companies only. >>>> >>>> 6) Iconity (MDEC) >>>> >>>> Still new, form pun cannot be downloaded yet but it looks just as bad >>>> (still this RM 1500 per developer per month deal ... why is MDeC is sooo >>>> fixated on that, I have no idea - on similar note, if that is how much >>>> MDeC >>>> values software developers then screw grants, we have a bigger problem at >>>> our hand) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> All and all, here's why I would say. Please MDeC, please don't let us >>>> jump through hoops and make us write long winded expired-in-2-weeks >>>> business >>>> plan anymore. This is preeseed. We are not asking millions. (Heck, most of >>>> us would gladly settle for a RM 50 k ). I think a simple proposal would do. >>>> >>>> Now MDeC would need a mechanism to filter out the bad from the good, >>>> here's my suggestion. Any proposal must finish a prototype in 3 months. Yes >>>> 3 months. Anyone asking more than that then ask them to create a long >>>> winded >>>> proposal, the usual drill, but give a green lane to anyone who is dedicated >>>> enough to do stuff in 3 months. You see, if a buddy and myself want to >>>> build, oh, say, a new CRM system, if we work everyday on it, 3 months is >>>> enough. Our salary oh, say RM 5000 each, that's RM 10k per month. Times 3 >>>> that is just RM 30,000. We use RM 10, 000 for to purchase dev machines. >>>> Maybe RM 5000 for hosting and another RM 5000 for small time marketing. We >>>> do not need an office. MDeC's lab (open source, jtrend and ntdc ... which >>>> is right now soooo under used) can be our temporary office. See, just RM >>>> 50k >>>> . Now if we fail, you lost RM 50 k. No biggie. If we succeed, then >>>> continuation grant, say RM 150 k , and RM 500 k after that should be >>>> guaranteed. >>>> >>>> >>>> Its late so if my rants are a bot inconsistent, maafkan saya >>>> >>>> Again, I'm just writing to express my personal gut wrenching feeling, >>>> not to belittle anyone. Certainly not MDeC or Cradle. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Azrul >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Saya tak percaya kalau FOSS komuniti tak dapat dana macam orang ni >>>>> dapat. 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