whoaa... i just found out if you paste a youtube link to google chat, you can view the video on google chat.....
cool..... what else can we embed in google chat ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah < rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote: > sorry wrong clip > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7gCd-C-Tys&feature=related > > // wrong state of mind as well > > > > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Raja Iskandar Shah < > rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> where's my money ? >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlIm-riMN6Q&feature=fvw >> >> ahaks... so long as no one goes to the extreme ;-) >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:14 AM, Raja Iskandar Shah < >> rajaiskand...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> i like azrul's proposition: >>> 1. increase the salary to rm5000 per month per developer (basic pay jr >>> programmer pun dah rm1500 per month - tak masuk epf contribution, allowance, >>> leave, office space, administrative cost). kalau ikut std multiplier it >>> should be rm5000 x 2.5 = rm12,500 >>> 2. prototype development within 3 months onsite everyday at a designated >>> lab. kalau masih tak caya boleh pasang cctv ;-) >>> >>> azrul is right as well. it's late. will blog a guide for the icon grant >>> application after i submitted the application later in the week. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Najah <khairunna...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Preeseed? Been there, done that... cuma takde rezeki. Planning to submit >>>> again, with diffrent project. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Azrul Hasni MADISA < >>>> azrulha...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I had enough and its late. Hopefully some investors are interested in >>>>> my project. But here's a brief reason why did not apply for grants. (Now >>>>> this is my personal opinion, you guys might not have the same requirement >>>>> as >>>>> me) >>>>> >>>>> 1) SKMM (MCMC), E-content, any content related grant >>>>> - Not really for software development. I personally know someone whose >>>>> game project was rejected under e-content because game is considered >>>>> software dev. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Preseed (MDEC) >>>>> - They limit RM 1500 per developer per month. Rm 1500??? jual burger >>>>> tepi jalan pun dapat banyak dari tu. Who wants to work for you for RM >>>>> 1500?. Kalau ada pun, memang yang dah carik kerja merata tapi tak dapat >>>>> (and >>>>> malas pulak tu nak jual burger) . So keje la dapat Rm 1500. Code quality >>>>> pon >>>>> cam hampeh nyiok. Unit test pun tak tau buat. >>>>> >>>>> - Business plan. This is preseed for God sake. The proposal should be >>>>> on 1 (read one... you know, satu) page. There should not be a business >>>>> plan. >>>>> Business plan is when you want to apply for seed funding. After all, >>>>> technology moves so fast these days and so global, that your business plan >>>>> would be relevant for only a few weeks at best. >>>>> >>>>> - 30+ freakin' pages to fill in. If this is a 2 million grant than that >>>>> is probably ok, but this is preseed. Anything beyond 1 page is just fluff >>>>> at >>>>> best and total malicious lies at worst. >>>>> >>>>> - No funding for marketing or any sort of advertisement. >>>>> >>>>> - No continuation. What should you do once the fund has run out? Sell >>>>> your software? wait a minute, you can't use your grant money for >>>>> marketing... bummer :( . That's why many preseed companies are now stuck. >>>>> >>>>> 3) Cradle Investment Fund >>>>> - Long winded web form to fill in (web form? gosh, the best tech. for >>>>> forms is PDF. Here's a bunch of them... free of charge. See, Adobe's >>>>> business plan out the window already. They probably didn't deserve preseed >>>>> grants.[ >>>>> http://www.cogniview.com/convert-pdf-to-excel/post/pdf-editing-creation-50-open-sourcefree-alternatives-to-adobe-acrobat/ >>>>> ]) >>>>> >>>>> - Again you have to supply a business plan that will be obsolete once >>>>> you finish writing them >>>>> >>>>> + Supply you with a mentor (a really good deal) >>>>> >>>>> * No mention of limit on developer salary >>>>> >>>>> * No mention of continuation >>>>> >>>>> 5) MGS, DAGS, Technofund >>>>> >>>>> For established companies only. >>>>> >>>>> 6) Iconity (MDEC) >>>>> >>>>> Still new, form pun cannot be downloaded yet but it looks just as bad >>>>> (still this RM 1500 per developer per month deal ... why is MDeC is sooo >>>>> fixated on that, I have no idea - on similar note, if that is how much >>>>> MDeC >>>>> values software developers then screw grants, we have a bigger problem at >>>>> our hand) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> All and all, here's why I would say. Please MDeC, please don't let us >>>>> jump through hoops and make us write long winded expired-in-2-weeks >>>>> business >>>>> plan anymore. This is preeseed. We are not asking millions. (Heck, most >>>>> of >>>>> us would gladly settle for a RM 50 k ). I think a simple proposal would >>>>> do. >>>>> >>>>> Now MDeC would need a mechanism to filter out the bad from the good, >>>>> here's my suggestion. Any proposal must finish a prototype in 3 months. >>>>> Yes >>>>> 3 months. Anyone asking more than that then ask them to create a long >>>>> winded >>>>> proposal, the usual drill, but give a green lane to anyone who is >>>>> dedicated >>>>> enough to do stuff in 3 months. You see, if a buddy and myself want to >>>>> build, oh, say, a new CRM system, if we work everyday on it, 3 months is >>>>> enough. Our salary oh, say RM 5000 each, that's RM 10k per month. Times 3 >>>>> that is just RM 30,000. We use RM 10, 000 for to purchase dev machines. >>>>> Maybe RM 5000 for hosting and another RM 5000 for small time marketing. We >>>>> do not need an office. MDeC's lab (open source, jtrend and ntdc ... which >>>>> is right now soooo under used) can be our temporary office. See, just RM >>>>> 50k >>>>> . Now if we fail, you lost RM 50 k. No biggie. If we succeed, then >>>>> continuation grant, say RM 150 k , and RM 500 k after that should be >>>>> guaranteed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Its late so if my rants are a bot inconsistent, maafkan saya >>>>> >>>>> Again, I'm just writing to express my personal gut wrenching feeling, >>>>> not to belittle anyone. Certainly not MDeC or Cradle. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Azrul >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:07 AM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar < >>>>> bizkut...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Saya tak percaya kalau FOSS komuniti tak dapat dana macam orang ni >>>>>> dapat. 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