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Hello Bram,

First thing - could you put some whitespace/newlines in your future
posts, please? It is very hard to read the walls of text like the last
one.

On 08/29/2014 07:46 PM, Bram Vaessen wrote:
> I believe it is better to separate the documentation from the main 
> website. It's not really easy to explain, but try to look at it
> from my perspective, from a general user. It wouldn't cross my mind
> to ask you guys for full permission to edit your main website. I'm
> not involved with the development of the project and even not you
> offer it, I'm think "that's weird, I'm not going to edit the main
> website, I'm just a general user".

People are complaining that the documentation is hard to find already.
Having it on a separate website from the main one would improve the
discoverability how exactly?

The permission issue can be easily handled by setting up roles and
what not. However, the old Trac wiki website didn't do that, everyone
could edit everything and there was never an issue. We are adults
here, so nobody is going to vandalise the site. And if it happens, it
is fairly easy to restore from backup and to ban the offender. We are
not talking a website storing personal data and what not that could be
stolen here.

There is also a question of management of the OSG domain and the
content - having it spread out over several entities that are not
under the same control could be problematic, but that is something for
Robert to judge.


> If there is a wiki, or something similar, which is full devoted to
> be a repository of knowledge on OSG (which is pretty big), then I
> would consider editing or adding some information about a
> particular part of the OSG system that I dealt with and learned
> something about. For example something that took me a while to find
> out, but that I thought should be general knowledge.

Feel welcome to write it up and add it. I don't see how writing for a
wiki or writing for Joomla is so significantly different from the
content's point of view. We aren't talking raw HTML editing here.


> But not something that needs a separate article or guide. It's
> easy to argue that you can do anything with Joomla that you can do
> with wiki, but that's not a very strong argument I think: if you
> wouldn't use any content management system and gave users ftp
> permission to your website, then technically, you can STILL do
> anything that a wiki
...
> Joomla to make a full documentation structure for OSG, sorry, I
> just don't think Joomla is the right technology for that, even if 
> 'technically' everything is possible...

Basically a very long-winded argument that you like a wiki
formatting/content editing more than a regular page editing in Joomla.
Did you actually try to use Joomla?

I am not sure that a personal preference is a very strong argument. I
like wikis too, but when is there is an established system already,
there needs to be a stronger argument than that. As you are
essentially proposing redoing the documentation section of the website
from scratch, then there better is a very good reason for it, because
someone would have to actually migrate/retype all that content again
and then manage everything. That takes a non-trivial amount of work
and time that nobody is actually paid for doing. Are *you* willing to
put all that work into it? Jordi did spend a ton of time on the
website already.

Pages in a CMS are structured as well, while wiki is very easy to make
an unholy mess out of unless someone actually manages it actively. The
issue of logins - you would need to have a login for a wiki as well,
otherwise it will be overflowing with spam and vandalized pages in no
time. There is no army of editors like on Wikipedia to keep cleaning
that here. The possibility of obtaining the CMS access could be made
more visible, though.

Regards,

Jan.

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