A wonderful conversation in the works...my replies appear below...
On 10/24/13 1:29 PM, Jenifer Toksvig wrote:
Re: [OSList] The OST Game Dan wrote: >> Consider the man who loves a
certain woman, and waits for the current trend of her interest in him
to change. He is goal seeking without controlling. Likewise,
trend-following market traders do not attempt to create, control or
make trends. They simply identify & ride them, while seeking wealth. <<
Waiting and seeking are still forms of controlling.
Yes, they are forms of governing one self. Actually, this is a very
narrow and focused form of control: control of one's self. We often
refer to this as 'discipline', which is distinct from the more general
word 'control'. Self-discipline vs. attempted control of others, if you
will.
Your loving man has chosen to wait for his goal rather than (to coin a
phrase) being prepared to be surprised by another woman.
The man in the hypothetical situation has a current goal, which is to be
in relationship with a certain woman. He watches and follows the trend
of her interest. This does not mean he is blind to what the wider
environment might be offering now.
He may not be trying to control her, but he's still trying to control
the situation in a way that he thinks will allow him to achieve his goal.
It sounds like 'the situation' you mention above is: "him or her self."
That's discipline of self, not control of others.
Those who seek wealth do likewise: they don't randomly ride the
trends, they identify them and make choices about how to ride them, in
order to obtain wealth. That is control.
Um, if you mean control of one's responses, if you mean self-goverance,
self-discipline then yes. Controlling one self is generally a good idea,
is it not?
I don't think it's possible to be goal-oriented and try to exert some
kind of control over the process, unless your goal is... to have no goal.
I think you mean
"...I don't think it's possible to be goal-oriented and NOT try to exert
some kind of control over the process.."
If that's the case, I agree 100% goal-oriented requires self-control,
aka "discipline". Trend-trading markets traders without discipline
routinely lose money. Individuals without self-control routinely create
problems for themselves.
Actually, even being prepared to be surprised is a goal. A sort of
wonderfully ridiculous one.
Yes, and the statement itself is: directive. Wait, whats that doing in OST?
Jen x
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