Michael: ULtrech seams to e a place way to far from Montreal but I like the "?" in a paper idea. Lisa Heft has done several "conversations" in silence in the wososnos and they were ones of the best ones! Thank you for this invitation any way! Adriana
2013/10/26 Michael M Pannwitz <mmpannw...@gmail.com> > Adriana and all you others looking for a space to reflect on whatever the > question might be, consider coming to Utrecht, or better yet: you need to > come to Utrecht. Its a full blown three day os, no frills attached, exactly > for the issues people bring along, no matter how clear they are on them...I > have seen people go to the center, look at the sheets of paper, pick one > up, stand up in front of the group, dont say a word, go to the bulletin > board, post it AND have a crowd of people showing up at their session! (One > of my friends has a slight variation on this, he just puts a "?" on the > sheet, also draws a crowd). So I know I am never alone with my question. > I am thinking of this question: How do I excert control and what for? or > What does control do to me? ... I know I am not alone in this, look at poor > Ms Merkel being controlled by people listening in on what she talks about > on her mobile, for some of the stuff she would probably be blacklisted and > be surprised one day that nobody will hire her. > > Right, lets meet in Utrecht or any other place (there are some Basques > meeting at the same time in Basque country somewhere within Spain), > > cheers > mmp > > On 26.10.2013 16:34, Lourdes Adriana Diaz-Berrio Doring wrote: > >> Reading your conversation made me think that a very good OS theme would >> be about how new relationships start, for friends and other types >> because so many people are using a lot of time looking for some "goal" >> or "tarjet" in this sites where you ara suposed to find your "soulmate" >> ...a lot of time is wasted socialy i Think! >> And there is a need for a space to meet that's for shure. >> But it would be so nice to have an OS where we could reflect together >> about this kind of issues about control, surprise, willing to provoque a >> specific reaction on the other person. >> But it is not clear in my mind how the question could be framed but I >> feel there is a need for a space where people having this issues could >> talk and reflect about this topics. And see also that they are not alone >> in this. >> Adriana >> >> >> 2013/10/26 Daniel Mezick <d...@newtechusa.net <mailto:d...@newtechusa.net>> >> >> A wonderful conversation in the works...my replies appear below... >> >> On 10/24/13 1:29 PM, Jenifer Toksvig wrote: >> >>> Dan wrote: >> Consider the man who loves a certain woman, and >>> waits for the current trend of her interest in him to change. He >>> is goal seeking without controlling. Likewise, trend-following >>> market traders do not attempt to create, control or make trends. >>> They simply identify & ride them, while seeking wealth. << >>> >>> Waiting and seeking are still forms of controlling. >>> >> Yes, they are forms of governing one self. Actually, this is a very >> narrow and focused form of control: control of one's self. We often >> refer to this as 'discipline', which is distinct from the more >> general word 'control'. Self-discipline vs. attempted control of >> others, if you will. >> >>> Your loving man has chosen to wait for his goal rather than (to >>> coin a phrase) being prepared to be surprised by another woman. >>> >> The man in the hypothetical situation has a current goal, which is >> to be in relationship with a certain woman. He watches and follows >> the trend of her interest. This does not mean he is blind to what >> the wider environment might be offering now. >> >>> He may not be trying to control her, but he’s still trying to >>> control the situation in a way that he thinks will allow him to >>> achieve his goal. >>> >> It sounds like 'the situation' you mention above is: "him or her >> self." That's discipline of self, not control of others. >> >>> >>> Those who seek wealth do likewise: they don’t randomly ride the >>> trends, they identify them and make choices about how to ride >>> them, in order to obtain wealth. That is control. >>> >> Um, if you mean control of one's responses, if you mean >> self-goverance, self-discipline then yes. Controlling one self is >> generally a good idea, is it not? >> >>> >>> I don’t think it’s possible to be goal-oriented and try to exert >>> some kind of control over the process, unless your goal is… to >>> have no goal. >>> >> I think you mean >> "...I don’t think it’s possible to be goal-oriented and NOT try to >> exert some kind of control over the process.." >> >> If that's the case, I agree 100% goal-oriented requires >> self-control, aka "discipline". Trend-trading markets traders >> without discipline routinely lose money. Individuals without >> self-control routinely create problems for themselves. >> >>> Actually, even being prepared to be surprised is a goal. A sort of >>> wonderfully ridiculous one. >>> >> Yes, and the statement itself is: directive. 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