Hi folks

Just wanted to say I enjoyed this exchange. As a collaborator of Francois Knuchel working with Daniel Mezick in developing Open Agile Adoption and Prime/OS into our adaption, Open Smart Transformation (provided by Caterfly) to take Daniel's ideas and model way beyond Agile to support shifts to Smarter Working or solving problems together using Open Space, I have to say I heartily agree with what has already been said on this thread. But it is not because my business benefits from saying that; rather, it is because of the power of Daniel's innovation in using OS in bringing self-led collaborative change that Francois and I have launched a business service based upon it.

Jan: I love the language you used, using 'Open Spaces as a 'heart beat' in organizations'. I'll certainly use that metaphor in the future :)

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On 23/03/15 17:58, Suzanne Daigle via OSList wrote:
Daniel,

*Thank You* for this and all that preceded it. I've been going through my own angst on the same questions that you've just posed.

Plus something that Harrison said earlier:

    The “*cure*” would then be to stop the wounding, at least until we
    could see how things might go. Of course, if the situation really
    is *terminal*, then by all means, Bring it on! That could be
    SCRUM, Facilitation, Last Rites, whatever...


Stop the wounding, see how things might go.... less is more and letting go is a *very tall order*!

I know that from what I personally struggled with _after_ my first experiences in Open Space. As a manager, a leader, a mom, a friend, I got a sense of where I had been controlling too much and doing too much under the auspices of coordinating, helping, and yes, even leading. For a period of time, I even questioned what my whole life had been -- these were not easy questions. Others I know will suffer the same insights (grief indeed!). What's worse is that our top down hierarchy organizational models have rewarded us for this calling it good leadership. Control is embedded everywhere...insidious almost.

As a facilitator, I saw the emergent bliss of others experiencing Open Space. I witnessed the great good that came of it with some degree of "sticking" power. But I could not deny that people were going back to stuck systems and practices in their ways of working with many remaining questions buried inside them. The opportunity of "seeing of how things go"...with the opportunity to reinvent the work of the business while also running the business itself seemed a mammoth task! I felt there was more for me to do, not singlehandedly or in an enabling way but in a roll up our sleeves, let's figure this out together. It's why I was so drawn to Agile...because I felt it supported the journey towards self-organizing, a journey with collaborative practices that had application beyond software.

Is it considered "terminal" if we help either with Scrum or other distributed leadership processes/practices that self-management companies are utilizing now (like Morning Star, W.L. Gore) to break the cycle of control and predictability embedded in our command/control structures? Would that be organizing the self-organizing?

What you described Daniel...as raw as it is (body bags is not an exaggeration!) does strike a deep chord. Thank you for articulating it so well.

I am heartened by your words as I hope for the same.

    Is Open Space JUST for orgs that are in /total crisis/....those
    that are /completely freaked out/....and completely out of aces
    and perceived options?

    Because, I suspect OST is a lot more robust than that. .. A lot
    more versatile than that.


I also connected with what Francois so eloquently and passionately described.


    OK, so what? So what, you may say, if you’re not into agile.  Well
    what Daniel has introduced *goes way beyond agile*.  The framework
    Daniel has put together, surely, is relevant to any adoption
    (implementation of a new system or working practice), not just
    agile.  It relevant to lean adoption, responsive adoption,
    environmental management adoption – indeed it is *relevant to any
    change or transformation process*.  So guys, forget the agile bit,
    what Daniel is introducing is a way of introducing fundamental
    transformation into any organisation and *making it stick*.


In the pursuit towards self-organization (self-management), between less is more and letting go, I believe there is important work to be done in the way of "opening space and holding space" with the same intentionality as is there when we facilitate. I do not want to be in the sidelines of this work. Nor do I want to control it.

Options, stepping stones, make some stew together, etc. Rolling up our sleeves to do the work that needs doing and figuring out how the evolution from "here" to "there" might go, helping each other however those roles play out, it seems to me that that is what life and the real work of life is all about.

Having said all this, there is a part of me that still wonders... if "doing nothing is not the doing of everything" though I have yet to conceive what "doing nothing that is everything" really is.

For now I won't overthink it cause I fear I'll be missing out on the best of life if I live in my head too much on these questions. Best to experience as it unfolds.

Suzanne...trekking on!






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On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Friends and Citizens of OSLIST:

    Greetings.

    As I continue to think, and get experience and learn, I realize
    that what I often "see and hope for an org" and "what is possible
    right here right now" .....those 2 items have a big, huge gap.
    Certainly a lot of the gap can be closed in one step....but THE
    WHOLE THING?

    So for example: yes, it is a great aspirational goal to "eliminate
    all meetings", and even have Open Space as a passing aha (...we
    graduated! We no longer need OST!!) and so on.

    Question: How do you get there... without various people going out
    in body bags from stress? From freaking out? from culture shock?

    Eliminating any and all forms of meeting AND getting rid of any
    formal facilitation are all great goals....to bring the org to
    such a state of advancement that, well, you know, they are just
    AMAZING....all open space all the time....

    Now: is speeding that up beyond what people can handle actually a
    good idea?

    Wondering....

    So for example getting rid of all meetings might go like this:

    1. Facilitate all meetings or awhile
    2. Make all meeting optional, too
    3. Eventually, just GET RID OF all meetings.

    This progression (through time) makes sense to me.

    Because, to tell you the truth, "step 1" ain't as easy as it looks....

    ...now, can we just SHOCK an org into evolving?

    Does the real world really work that way?

    Consider the guidance for the Open Space invitation: "4 to 6 weeks
    in advance." Yes we can do 2 weeks or 2 days, that said.... the
    standard guidance is to give them many weeks.... to "figure out
    what the invitation MEANS...." ... to "integrate the invite", etc.

    Orgs seem to have "currently-available range of options"
    (destinations) for evolving. A range or collection of
    /destinations/ they can go to.... from here. Kind of like stepping
    stones. Kind of like this:

    1. Identify what set of stepping-stone destinations ("leaps") are
    immediately possible, and
    2. Invite them to pick one, and
    3. Help them do that one leap.

    I find this works well. Very well actually!

    The alternative, a complete annihilation of everything that "was",
    a complete annihilation of everything that "is"....in favor of the
    All-New Shiny Thing.... the Shiny Thing that in theory "wants to
    happen"...or so we say...this seems both impractical and extremely
    stressful for the org.

    Not to mention: whatever happened to:

      * /Whenever it starts is the right time?/
      * /Whatever happens is the only thing that could? /

    ....And so I like the idea of "do a little, learn a little,
    integrate...then SHIFT to the next level..."

    The dual-OST, before/after Open Space with 100 days in the
    middle...what we now call Open Agile Adoption....this seems to
    provide the kind of place/space where the folks can actually "make
    some stew" together, and boil it down, and enjoy it, and get to a
    new level of integration. And fast!

    I'm not so sure "annihilation of everything that came before" is
    really such a cool idea. It also seems kind of /forced/ as I think
    about it. Kind of /violent/. I realize stuff has to "die" before
    the new stuff can be "born" but do we have to burn the forest down
    to the ground to get legitimate new growth?

    How many organizations can live through that level of trauma
    without freaking out ?

    Is Open Space JUST for orgs that are in /total crisis/....those
    that are /completely freaked out/....and completely out of aces
    and perceived options?

    Because, I suspect OST is a lot more robust than that.

    I suspect OST  is a lot more versatile than that.

    And this has certainly been my experience so far.

    Daniel















    On 3/21/15 4:18 PM, Harrison wrote:

    Dan --- Our organizations are definitely stodgy. Even the best of
    them seem to clunk along when compared to what they might be
    doing. God knows how you could ever produce any numbers to prove
    this assertion, but I have yet to met anybody (even the wildest
    enthusiast) who would affirm that their organization was running
    in top form. Good yes... but with lots of room for improvement.
    But I suspect that the critical issue is NOT a matter of “low
    level of development,” rather it is a case of self inflicted
    wounds causing radical sub-optimization. The “cure” would then be
    to stop the wounding, at least until we could see how things
    might go. Of course, if the situation really is terminal, then by
    all means, Bring it on! That could be SCRUM, Facilitation, Last
    Rites, whatever...

    So what would an organization look like if it stopped being shot?
    How would it perform?

    Sounds pretty abstract and difficult to visualize... but I do
    believe we get the picture in wild living color, every time we
    have the privilege of opening the space for a damaged
    organization, where the trouble is real and palpable. I’m not
    talking about the two hour Open Space on some frilly, safe topic.
    I mean the real deal where the stakes are seriously high.
    Survival stuff.

    My experience is shared by many, and the stories are often told.
    My most recent encounter was with a very large US federal agency,
    which according to its director was so dysfunctional that “most
    of the people could not find their rear ends with both hands”
    (That’s a direct quote). They were in trouble by any standard,
    and the Chief was so out of options that Open Space sounded like
    a safe way to go – even though he had never seen one.

    Well we did it... and the organization I saw bore no relationship
    to the one that had been described to me. The people were all the
    same, the issues were familiar... but the behavior was brilliant.
    Total flowing conversation with real engagement and workable
    solutions. Mind Bending! And the chief was blown away – walking
    around with a silly grin on his face.

    I invited him to lunch because I wanted to feed him several
    drinks and ask a question. We had the lunch, and after the
    drinks, came the question: “What are you doing, Sir, as a matter
    of everyday business that converts 177 bright, engaged, competent
    people into blundering fools?” He looked a little surprised and I
    said, “I think you might want to stop doing it.”

    Dan – That’s my point. Before we do anything more, different, or
    otherwise – I sincerely believe we need to stop and appreciate
    what apparently happens very naturally, all by itself, with
    minimal or no assistance. And after that appreciative moment, we
    might think of a few things to do, but only a very few.

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    Harrison and All,

    Harrison you once said recently:

    "The real operating system is self-organization, Daniel.
    Everything else is an app. Open Space included!"

    I've just recently integrated this idea more fully into my
    thinking. I must admit it has taken "some time."

    That said, my current belief is: most organizations are at a very
    low level of development and can use/typically need the "app" of
    Open Space...and/or the "app" of Scrum... and/or the "app" of
    Sociocracy, what have you.

    I think [facilitation] does fit nicely as a kind of component or
    "widget" in each "app" (facilitation being part of OST, Scrum,
    Kanban) ...all of which run on the real OS of self-organization.

    So these are all self-org "apps." The "f" word does after all has
    the connotation of: "making it easy."


    At Frank Tino's company INTUIT, they have embraced the idea of
    creating "a culture of facilitation." This has resulted in some
    interesting team behaviors...

    ...Frank Tino's staff, for example, does this very impressively
    effective,  brief daily-meeting called the 'daily huddle' at 430
    PM each day and it's super short like 12 minutes... and someone
    plays in the facilitator role each time... and that  f-role
    orbits/rotates around to someone new each day who jumps in to do it.

    And it seems to work pretty darned good. Everyone is a
    facilitator at one time or another. I often observe them
    completing each other's sentences in these 430PM meetings...

    I like the idea of having a goal of ELIMINATING the need to for
    any (facilitated!) 'Open Space' gatherings. These gatherings are
    after all simply apps running on the REAL operating system we
    call: "you-know-what."

    Daniel

    On 3/19/15 3:07 PM, Harrison via OSList wrote:

        I guess you could say that replying to your own note is
        rather like talking to yourself. Guilty as charged – but then
        I doit all the time (Talk to myself). Anyhow, I expressed the
        hope that Dan’s videos would not only inspire folks
        toemulate, but also to think about going to the next level
        wherever that might be. I’m not sure I know, but I didnotice
        a little anomaly in the marvelous interviews, which might
        suggest a direction. Dan’s client obviously was movedby the
        Open Space – the quality of conversations, good ideas,
        actions generated, and all the good stuff. Presuming that
        Dan’s Open Space is just like always, those generativegroups
        that the client so enjoyed did it all by themselves with not
        a facilitator in sight. No news here – but then inthe final
        interview, the client waxed enthusedly about “facilitation”
        and said that from here on out he was alwaysgoing to have a
        facilitator. Did I see a little disconnect here? A little
        anomaly? If the folks could “do it” in OpenSpace...why not
        every day, all the time? Perchance an opportunity to go to
        the next level?

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        *To:* 'Daniel Mezick'; 'World wide Open Space Technology
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        Dan –this is just wonderful! And to be clear... I never could
        have done what you have done. First off, I don’t
        speakAgile/Scrum/...      I joke, but seriously. And to
        anybody else on this OSLIST, do yourself a favor. Watch Dan’s
        videosthrough. Not with the idea of replicating what happened
        (although that wouldn’t be bad) but to be inspired to takeit
        all to a new level. I so look forward to whatever discussion...

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        Greetings,

        Find below 15-minute videos of software industry executive
        Frank Tino, explaining his org's journey thru Open Space on
        the way to a genuine, rapid, lasting, enterprise-wide,
        "scaled" Agile adoption.

        Frank's 100-person company (now 150++ just one year layer)
        authorized several full-day before/after Open Space events.
        In between there was 100 days of experimentation and learning
        in between those gatherings. In these videos he explains the
        astonishing results obtained in just 100 days...

        ...Open Space is now part of the cultural fabric of his
        entire organization. And the coaches are GONE.


        <SHAMELESS HYPE WARNING>

        Is Open Agile Adoption something completely new? Well yes, it
        is actually. Thanks for asking! Explained here:

        Open Agile Adoption Theory and Components
        http://openagileadoption.com/open-agile-adoption-components/

        </SHAMELESS HYPE WARNING>


        Here's the links to those executive videos:
        http://openagileadoption.com/open-agile-adoption-videos/


        PART1: 15 mins
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWjNQM7q64o
        PART2: 15 mins
        http://youtu.be/UdSmGS9JTtU
        PART3: 15 mins
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9cpRPlLHYU

        *
        *Open Agile Adoption (OAA) is a new composition of powerful
        elements that work together to strongly encourage positive
        cultural change in organizations. Open Agile Adoption
        incorporates the power of invitation, Open Space, game
        mechanics, passage rites, storytelling and more…so your Agile
        adoption can actually take root.

        OAA is based on people, THEN practices. You can introduce any
        practice or framework with it. Open Agile Adoption is based
        on www.Prime-OS.com <http://www.Prime-OS.com>, which is
        social technology published under an open-source,
        free-to-the-world ("free culture") license from Creative
        Commons.

        www.OpenAgileAdoption.com <http://www.OpenAgileAdoption.com>
        www.Prime-OS.com <http://www.Prime-OS.com>


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