Thanks Michael… for you eternal wisdom….. and Paul for your eternal addition… 😊
> On 21 Feb 2022, at 06:28, paul levy via OSList > <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's beautiful, Michael, and I can go with it > > Yet, mysteriously for me, in my deeper experience of my life, even the law of > gravity feels like a kind of invitation, one which I occasionally refuse. > > Paul > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022, 04:11 Michael Herman via OSList, > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > for me, it actually is a kind of law: "you and only you know when you are > learning and contributing as much as you can." > > a law, as chris corrigan taught me to say, "...that's not like a speed limit, > but more like the law of gravity. defy it at your own risk!" > > having pointed this out in an opening circle, i then suggest that everyone in > circle has the same job, the right AND the responsibility, to use their two > feet and/or whatever else they use to get around, to go wherever they need > to, to maximize their own learning and contribution. > > in the end we don't care if they move... what we want is highest learning and > highest contribution. > > for me, in open space, personal passion/freedom is always bounded/informed by > responsibility/contribution to the whole. > > i think our pulsation between these apparent opposites, passion and > responsibility, learning and contributing, me and us, past and future, and so > on... is what drives it all. we can't get stuck. we have to keep moving. > each of us, for all of us. > > learning and practicing this kind of pulsation, between apparent opposites, > is for me the most important thing we invite in open space. it's in the > going back and forth that strengthens us. > > michael > > > -- > > Michael Herman > Michael Herman Associates > 312-280-7838 (mobile) > > MichaelHerman.com <http://michaelherman.com/> > OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/> > > > > > On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 12:49 PM paul levy via OSList > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > I haven't called it a law in years. > > That is because it isn't a law. It is an eternal invitation. > > Paul > > On Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 16:08 Bhavesh Patel via OSList, > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > Thanks Michael, always appreciate the time you take to write longer emails > and share stories. > > The way you intro the Law is pretty much exactly how I do it as well, using > almost the same language. That for me still involves using my freedom to take > responsibility for my learning, contribution, productivity, and where that is > going to happen or not going to happen, at the same time never fully knowing > and always responding to all that is happening within, between, and among... > self-organisation, or as Morin says eco-self-organsation! > > I also have a very similar approach to space invaders, and have rarely > encountered one. There was one time when a person twice the size of me, a > former head of a big brand, took the mic for me and told everyone to stop > putting up topics on the second morning, because he had done a full analysis > of day 01 and could now tell us what we needed to do. I told him that was > great and kindly asked him to write it up and stick it up, but he held on to > the mic and repeated that this was not necessary and now we all needed to > listen to him and... there was a stand-off with both of us holding the mic, > until one of his peers asked him to let the facilitator do his job, he backed > off, and guess what, not many came to his session, and... > > I have also used the walk out approach when nothing was happening, on > reflection I think I needed to leave the room for that group to truly believe > the power is in their hands to post topics! > > I guess what I was trying to think about was what to do when someone is > clearly speaking in a way that is offensive to others... people can use their > two feet, the facilitator can also walk out of the room, what else is > there... I don't think OST = anything and everything is ok... so I was > reflecting on that... not sure if I am making sense to anyone??? > > > > > > > > On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 12:41, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > Dear Bhavesh, > > The Law of Two Feet (this is, of course, no Law but tongue of cheeck > speak of the Man with the Hat) has not felt to me as a reminder to be > responsible for where I want to be. > In my intro to the process I say in the role of facilitator: "And here", > pointing to the large poster on the wall of the space or on a large > pinboard on the edge of the outer circle or floating above the crowd of > 2108 supported by large balloons, have a look here > > https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/165-jetzt-meine-leidenschaft-meine-verantwortung-ueber-die-tagung-hinaus-now-my-passion-my-responsibility-beyond-the-conference > > > > <https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/165-jetzt-meine-leidenschaft-meine-verantwortung-ueber-die-tagung-hinaus-now-my-passion-my-responsibility-beyond-the-conference> > > "is the Law of Two Feet which has to be utterly adhered to as it is a LAW: > I honor a group with my absence if I neither learn nor contribute > something. If I am learning something I stay, if I am contributindg > something I also stay. > But if neither, then I'll do the group and especially myself the favor > of taking my feet... ", and here I imitate the Man by looking at my feet > for 3 seconds lift them and run a short distance in front of the > assembled crowd... continuing:"... and move to a space which is more > productive for me... or to take a nap." (At this point folks usually > laugh out loud, incited by my awkward running style) > > Now all this has nothing to do with taking responsibility for where I > want to be. I am focusing on this because I as facilitator am not in any > way responsible for what anyone does, under the assumption that everyone > is naturally "responsible"... and I adress it in the systemic context we > are in when in an os event, and that it is selforganisation all the time. > > Regarding space invaders - which I rarely have encountered probably > because I am such an awsome event myself, especially when totally > present and at the same time invisible - I do intervene. > > My first intervention is to do nothing and wait (at this point I > understand why I am being paid for this job). If the crowd is kind of > struck and silent, also waiting, I still wait. Usually, this > intervention does get addressed by a participant, which causes another > participant to react... and results in a short exchange in which usually > someone then gets the space invader to see that the group does not oust him. > > If no participant intervenes and I have counted to 10, I ask: "Who else > feels like Charlie?" This always works, one or several other > participants will say something. The main advantage of participants > participating in this is that the space invader immidiately sees that > he/she is still part of the group, not an outsider. > > Another observation I have made is that some space invasions are > aggressive while others are certainly productive but not executed > completely. > > At one event, one participant got up to introduce his issue (others had > posted issues before him) and said: "I have the most important 5 issues > that need to be worked on!" and deposited his 5 issue sheets in the center. > Here I intervened right away and reminded him that the issues have to be > announced and posted on the Bulletin Board and that he shoulc say his > name. Somewhat nervous he picke up his 5 issues, spoke to them and then > posted them on the Bulletin Board. > Later in the day he approached me and said: "Michael, nobody signed in > for my issues! This was an important lesson for me." > > So, its not about what is allowed or not. Its about how space and time > for selforganisation are expanded right then and here. Thats what I > recommend facilitators to focus on. > > The utmost the facilitator can do in case stuff gets out of control and > nothing works is to leave the space. > I have experienced this twice in os events. > First event was the gathering of 300 Imams and Rabbis in Sevilla where > HO facilitated and I was his assistant. The participants kept posting > isssues without end and even after allocating 15 minutes more they kept > going. When the time was over, HO turned to me and spoke into the > mikrophone "Michael, please take over!" and left the room. It took only > minutes that the participants stopped posting issues and moved into the > phase to walk up to the Bulletin Board to sign up for issues they wanted > to work on. > > The second example was an os with facilitators from different approaches > in which I was participant. > In the closing circle of the first day, one participant insisted on a > discussion of a particularly critical aspect. He ignored the > facilitators suggestion to post his issue for a session after dinner or > the next day. No, he wanted to continue. The facilitator pointed to the > schedule and the amount of time left. At the end of the agreed upon time > he stood up and left the room. > Two minutes later, the entire group left, too. > > What about other stories on The Law and Space Invadors? > > Right now I am returning to the breakfast table where we are talking > about the urgent recommendation of the German Government to all German > citizens presently in the Ukraine to leave the Ukraine and return home > immediately. > > War? > > Greetings from Berlin > mmp > > > Am 20.02.2022 um 08:18 schrieb Bhavesh Patel via OSList: > > It's an interesting one because: > > > > * The Law of Two Feet - is about us choosing to take responsibility > > for where we want to be. > > > > * Space Invaders - is the idea that NOT everything is allowed, and if > > it feels like someone is controlling the space for another, then the > > facilitator does something about it. > > > > So it's an interesting grey area between when it is more about the Law > > and when it is more about Space Invaders and stepping in... and who is > > the facilitator when it comes to this loop anyway? > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 at 03:58, Harold Shinsato via OSList > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>>> > > wrote: > > > > The OSList is intended to truly be "whoever comes is the right people". > > > > The "Law of Two Feet" is hopefully something we take seriously here. > > > > I wish there was a feature in the OSList where you could "walk away" > > from a conversation without having to leave the OSList. Well, you could > > just ignore the conversations where you are neither learning nor > > contributing. > > > > Another option most email systems have ways are message filters that > > could automatically delete what you don't want. That is an option. With > > a little effort that would be a way to employ "The Law of Two Feet" or > > the "Law of Mobility". > > > > Best wishes to all! > > Harold > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org>> > > Past archives can be viewed here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> > > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > > Past archives can be viewed here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> > -- > Michael M Pannwitz > Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin > +49 30 7728000 [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]>_______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]>_______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]>_______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]>_______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Romy Shovelton Executive Director Wikima & the 5* Tyddyn Retreat Mid Wales Venue & Holiday Cottages www.walescottageandvenue.com [email protected] [email protected] +44 (0) 7767 370739 Tyddyn y Pwll, Carno, Caersws Powys, SY17 5JU, Wales, UK Instagram: tyddynretreat Facebook: Tyddyn Retreat
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