Could you send me a copy of a Basecamp Route gpx-file? Here is an email address I create for this sort of thing: [email protected] I'm wondering what the "Micro-instructions" are and how they appear in the gpx.
Peter Elderson Op za 5 aug 2023 om 14:14 schreef SonWon <[email protected]>: > > Ah that makes sense to me. BaseCamp has two types, one is called Route > when exported as a GPX file it does not load well into OsmAnd. The other > type is called Tracks which loads well and has many micro instructions > unless you use Attach to the roads (snap to roads). Maybe I should send > OsmAnd a copy of a Garmin Route exported as a GPX file to see if they can > make OsmAnd more friendly to that file? I will do that when I have time. > > > At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God or further > from God. > > > > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 1:42 PM Peter Elderson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Maybe it's in the words! This is how I use the terms: >> A route is a string of connected actual roads to follow. A routing app >> identifies/analyses the roads to create the optimal string of roads >> according to the routing profile you chose. >> A track is a list of geolocations, which knows nothing about the roads. >> It may follow actual roads, mimicking a route, but not necessarily. The >> geolocations are not connected in the data; your app draws lines between >> them, to create the illusion of a route. >> >> Track drawing applications may also use a routing algorithm between >> trackpoints, thus creating extra trackpoints. After that, the routing >> information (list of roads) is lost again. >> >> In the end, you have a track, not a route. Exporting it to gpx will not >> contain any road information, just trackpoints. The receiving device just >> has trackpoints. To create an actual route (and navigate) from the track, >> it has to perform routing from trackpoint to trackpoint. If you want the >> navigation to give road-aware instructions, it has to find the locations on >> your map and calculate the best roads between them, which is sometimes >> called "Snap to roads". >> >> That is why I never say that a gpx is a route. >> >> I think Basecamp creates, stores and exports tracks, even if it can use >> routing to create/edit the track. Even if it could store routes (strings of >> roads), it will convert to a track if you export to gpx. >> >> Peter Elderson >> >> >> Op za 5 aug 2023 om 11:57 schreef SonWon <[email protected]>: >> >>> >>> Hi Peter, >>> >>> Not sure I understand you completely. It does make routes that can be >>> exported to a GPX file. Is there a better tool for the PC that I should >>> consider using? >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God or >>> further from God. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 11:02 AM Peter Elderson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> AFAIK Basecamp is not a router, which would make it not the best app >>>> for creating a route for a specific type of vehicle. >>>> >>>> Peter Elderson >>>> >>>> >>>> Op za 5 aug 2023 om 10:37 schreef SonWon <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Peter, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for the detailed explanation and for correcting me. >>>>> >>>>> I plan to investigation if there are any options I can set in BaseCamp >>>>> when I export to a GPX file. I am still learning BaseCamp and I am not >>>>> sure >>>>> if this is the best tool for me to use when creating an on road motorcycle >>>>> tour route GPX file to export and then import into OsmAnd. >>>>> >>>>> And I hope and pray you have a great day! >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God or >>>>> further from God. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:29 AM Peter Elderson <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> gpx is format spec, a subset of xml. A gpx file may contain tracks >>>>>> (lists of geolocations known as track-points) and route points, also >>>>>> known >>>>>> as waypoints. Waypoints usually have additional information fields, >>>>>> trackpoints usually don't have additional fields. >>>>>> It is very unusual for gpx-files to contain street names. Typically >>>>>> street names are added at routing/navigating time by navigating apps. >>>>>> Waypoints also usually do not contain street names. They usuallyhave >>>>>> POI names/refs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Routes created by map applications usually allow you to create a >>>>>> route or track, and waypoints for POIs. The waypoints are the icons you >>>>>> place on the map. >>>>>> >>>>>> Export as gpx-file usually puts one track (list of trackpoints) and >>>>>> the waypoints (separate route points) in the export file. The application >>>>>> may offer a choice to export the waypoints. >>>>>> (Some applications may offer the option to export more than one track >>>>>> to a single gpx-file.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Applications importing the gpx-file should handle >>>>>> 1. the track => display as a line >>>>>> 2. the route points (waypoints) => display as separate points (icons, >>>>>> markers) >>>>>> (3. multiple tracks => display as separate lines) >>>>>> >>>>>> Routing/navigating applications can all handle 1. (track) >>>>>> Routing/navigating applications seldom handle 3 (multiple tracks), >>>>>> because they route/navigate one track at a time >>>>>> >>>>>> Routing/navigating applications differ in how they handle 2. >>>>>> (waypoints) >>>>>> E.g. afstandmeten.nl treats waypoints as trackpoints and connects >>>>>> all points with a line, resulting in a map showing one normal >>>>>> curves/meandering route plus a chaotic mess of straight lines forming >>>>>> sharp >>>>>> points. >>>>>> Luckily the waymark "route" is a separate route and I can delete it >>>>>> from the screen, leaving only the track. >>>>>> E.g.in OsmAnd, you can choose to import waypoints (it ignores the >>>>>> track) or to import a track (I think it reads the waypoints as well, I >>>>>> have >>>>>> to check). >>>>>> I don't know how Garmin and Bascamp handle imported gpx files with >>>>>> waypoints and/or multiple tracks. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is why, when something unexpected happens, you need to look at >>>>>> the gpx to check if it has multiple tracks, and separate routepoints. >>>>>> Then import and check if all the elements in the gpx are handled >>>>>> correctly. >>>>>> You could also look at the details, especially for the wayponts, to >>>>>> see if e.g. the name or type is shown on the screen after import. >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter Elderson >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Op za 5 aug 2023 om 09:26 schreef SonWon <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Angelo, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am still learning too. This website may help. >>>>>>> https://gpxadventures.com/tutorials/electronic-devices/what-is-a-gpx-file/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am using Garmin BaseCamp to create GPX files since I have a Garmin >>>>>>> device. BaseCamp gives me the option to create routes or waypoints. I >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> routes contain street names and turns however I have better results >>>>>>> importing waypoints into OsmAnd. I think waypoints are just GPS points >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the map strung together to create a route. At least that is how I am >>>>>>> visualizing it. I think a route is a single waypoint at each turn which >>>>>>> does not appear to work well with OsmAnd. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When you use Attach to The Roads it binds all of the waypoints into >>>>>>> the nearest road. So in place of following waypoint to waypoint you are >>>>>>> following the road. I noticed the algorithm that makes this possible is >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> perfect. For example a turn on a road will sometimes just pretend you >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> not turning however the map is clear. I am use to navigating without >>>>>>> voice >>>>>>> instructions because of a Bluetooth limitation with the headset, phone >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Garmin all linked at the same time. Bluetooth does not play well with >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> than two audio channels is what I have learned. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would not take what I wrote as completely correct until someone >>>>>>> more knowledgeable comes by to correct or confirm what I wrote. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that sums up all that I think I know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God or >>>>>>> further from God. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 12:13 AM Angelo Serio <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for your help. >>>>>>>> I'm not an expert in GPX creation. >>>>>>>> Can you better explain difference between waypoints and route gpx? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have noticed that some of imported GPX are working other no, most >>>>>>>> probably you are right. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A further question is related to Attach to the Road >>>>>>>> Can be set for default or shall be set on every time? >>>>>>>> I tried but I cannot confirm last request from navigation page >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry to abuse of your help. >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance >>>>>>>> Angelo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Il ven 4 ago 2023, 21:31 SonWon <[email protected]> ha scritto: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Angelo, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I did some testing tonight. There are two types of GPX files, one >>>>>>>>> is a route and the other is waypoints. This is defined when you >>>>>>>>> create the >>>>>>>>> GPX file. For a waypoint file you will get micro instructions which >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> annoying when on road. An imported route file also has micro >>>>>>>>> instructions. >>>>>>>>> However if you select Attach to The Roads then OsmAnd will provide >>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>> instructions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Give it a try by creating a short route and use the Simulate >>>>>>>>> Navigation feature to see how OsmAnd will route as you try different >>>>>>>>> combinations. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In summary, using the Attach to The Roads will clean up the micro >>>>>>>>> instructions. It isn't perfect though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God or >>>>>>>>> further from God. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 7:29 PM Angelo Serio <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John, >>>>>>>>>> Following pad is ok. >>>>>>>>>> Problem if you navigate an imported gpx with turn by turn >>>>>>>>>> announcement . >>>>>>>>>> Osmand is giving "describing" you the road and announce any >>>>>>>>>> simple bend on a strait road . >>>>>>>>>> Driving crazy and make hard to understand when you really have to >>>>>>>>>> turn. >>>>>>>>>> Roundabout: it say slightly turn right and then turn left . No >>>>>>>>>> graphic indication on screen. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When I start navigation I choose "follow truck" >>>>>>>>>> May be this is wrong. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ciao >>>>>>>>>> Angelo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Il gio 3 ago 2023, 17:59 SonWon <[email protected]> ha scritto: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'll be testing this on the road once the weather clears. I >>>>>>>>>>> didn't see this problem with a test import so it could be the >>>>>>>>>>> import file >>>>>>>>>>> is the problem? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God >>>>>>>>>>> or further from God. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 2:38 PM Angelo Serio <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everybody, >>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen this topic has been discussed in the past, but I'm >>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if there is any improvement/ good news about >>>>>>>>>>>> I love the app, but I use a lot of prearranged gpx and follow >>>>>>>>>>>> them only looking the map on screen isn't the best solution. >>>>>>>>>>>> Turn by turn navigation doesn't work and Osmand is " >>>>>>>>>>>> describing" the road versus give real indication >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope there is a solution to this problem. >>>>>>>>>>>> I know it's related to Openmaps , but it seems to me that such >>>>>>>>>>>> a nice program cannot handle turn by turn navigation for imported >>>>>>>>>>>> gpx >>>>>>>>>>>> There are other off line navigation app capable to do this, >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning has is feasible from technical standing point >>>>>>>>>>>> If anybody has some suggestion or work around to help me it's >>>>>>>>>>>> highly appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Grazie >>>>>>>>>>>> Angelo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "OsmAnd" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/osmand/CAGR7adHbU_XC4Fr92sRNkG9KX%2Bd3jSFYcZXMiU_s4MWMF8wmhg%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> 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