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At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God or further from God. On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 2:34 PM Peter Elderson <[email protected]> wrote: > Could you send me a copy of a Basecamp Route gpx-file? Here is an email > address I create for this sort of thing: [email protected] > I'm wondering what the "Micro-instructions" are and how they appear in the > gpx. > > Peter Elderson > > > Op za 5 aug 2023 om 14:14 schreef SonWon <[email protected]>: > >> >> Ah that makes sense to me. BaseCamp has two types, one is called Route >> when exported as a GPX file it does not load well into OsmAnd. The other >> type is called Tracks which loads well and has many micro instructions >> unless you use Attach to the roads (snap to roads). Maybe I should send >> OsmAnd a copy of a Garmin Route exported as a GPX file to see if they can >> make OsmAnd more friendly to that file? I will do that when I have time. >> >> >> At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God or further >> from God. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 1:42 PM Peter Elderson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Maybe it's in the words! This is how I use the terms: >>> A route is a string of connected actual roads to follow. A routing app >>> identifies/analyses the roads to create the optimal string of roads >>> according to the routing profile you chose. >>> A track is a list of geolocations, which knows nothing about the roads. >>> It may follow actual roads, mimicking a route, but not necessarily. The >>> geolocations are not connected in the data; your app draws lines between >>> them, to create the illusion of a route. >>> >>> Track drawing applications may also use a routing algorithm between >>> trackpoints, thus creating extra trackpoints. After that, the routing >>> information (list of roads) is lost again. >>> >>> In the end, you have a track, not a route. Exporting it to gpx will not >>> contain any road information, just trackpoints. The receiving device just >>> has trackpoints. To create an actual route (and navigate) from the track, >>> it has to perform routing from trackpoint to trackpoint. If you want the >>> navigation to give road-aware instructions, it has to find the locations on >>> your map and calculate the best roads between them, which is sometimes >>> called "Snap to roads". >>> >>> That is why I never say that a gpx is a route. >>> >>> I think Basecamp creates, stores and exports tracks, even if it can use >>> routing to create/edit the track. Even if it could store routes (strings of >>> roads), it will convert to a track if you export to gpx. >>> >>> Peter Elderson >>> >>> >>> Op za 5 aug 2023 om 11:57 schreef SonWon <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi Peter, >>>> >>>> Not sure I understand you completely. It does make routes that can be >>>> exported to a GPX file. Is there a better tool for the PC that I should >>>> consider using? >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God or >>>> further from God. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 11:02 AM Peter Elderson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> AFAIK Basecamp is not a router, which would make it not the best app >>>>> for creating a route for a specific type of vehicle. >>>>> >>>>> Peter Elderson >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Op za 5 aug 2023 om 10:37 schreef SonWon <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for the detailed explanation and for correcting me. >>>>>> >>>>>> I plan to investigation if there are any options I can set in >>>>>> BaseCamp when I export to a GPX file. I am still learning BaseCamp and I >>>>>> am >>>>>> not sure if this is the best tool for me to use when creating an on road >>>>>> motorcycle tour route GPX file to export and then import into OsmAnd. >>>>>> >>>>>> And I hope and pray you have a great day! >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God or >>>>>> further from God. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:29 AM Peter Elderson <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> gpx is format spec, a subset of xml. A gpx file may contain tracks >>>>>>> (lists of geolocations known as track-points) and route points, also >>>>>>> known >>>>>>> as waypoints. Waypoints usually have additional information fields, >>>>>>> trackpoints usually don't have additional fields. >>>>>>> It is very unusual for gpx-files to contain street names. Typically >>>>>>> street names are added at routing/navigating time by navigating apps. >>>>>>> Waypoints also usually do not contain street names. They usuallyhave >>>>>>> POI names/refs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Routes created by map applications usually allow you to create a >>>>>>> route or track, and waypoints for POIs. The waypoints are the icons you >>>>>>> place on the map. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Export as gpx-file usually puts one track (list of trackpoints) and >>>>>>> the waypoints (separate route points) in the export file. The >>>>>>> application >>>>>>> may offer a choice to export the waypoints. >>>>>>> (Some applications may offer the option to export more than one >>>>>>> track to a single gpx-file.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Applications importing the gpx-file should handle >>>>>>> 1. the track => display as a line >>>>>>> 2. the route points (waypoints) => display as separate points >>>>>>> (icons, markers) >>>>>>> (3. multiple tracks => display as separate lines) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Routing/navigating applications can all handle 1. (track) >>>>>>> Routing/navigating applications seldom handle 3 (multiple tracks), >>>>>>> because they route/navigate one track at a time >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Routing/navigating applications differ in how they handle 2. >>>>>>> (waypoints) >>>>>>> E.g. afstandmeten.nl treats waypoints as trackpoints and connects >>>>>>> all points with a line, resulting in a map showing one normal >>>>>>> curves/meandering route plus a chaotic mess of straight lines forming >>>>>>> sharp >>>>>>> points. >>>>>>> Luckily the waymark "route" is a separate route and I can delete it >>>>>>> from the screen, leaving only the track. >>>>>>> E.g.in OsmAnd, you can choose to import waypoints (it ignores the >>>>>>> track) or to import a track (I think it reads the waypoints as well, I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> to check). >>>>>>> I don't know how Garmin and Bascamp handle imported gpx files with >>>>>>> waypoints and/or multiple tracks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is why, when something unexpected happens, you need to look at >>>>>>> the gpx to check if it has multiple tracks, and separate routepoints. >>>>>>> Then import and check if all the elements in the gpx are handled >>>>>>> correctly. >>>>>>> You could also look at the details, especially for the wayponts, to >>>>>>> see if e.g. the name or type is shown on the screen after import. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter Elderson >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op za 5 aug 2023 om 09:26 schreef SonWon <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Angelo, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am still learning too. This website may help. >>>>>>>> https://gpxadventures.com/tutorials/electronic-devices/what-is-a-gpx-file/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am using Garmin BaseCamp to create GPX files since I have a >>>>>>>> Garmin device. BaseCamp gives me the option to create routes or >>>>>>>> waypoints. >>>>>>>> I think routes contain street names and turns however I have better >>>>>>>> results >>>>>>>> importing waypoints into OsmAnd. I think waypoints are just GPS points >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the map strung together to create a route. At least that is how I am >>>>>>>> visualizing it. I think a route is a single waypoint at each turn which >>>>>>>> does not appear to work well with OsmAnd. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When you use Attach to The Roads it binds all of the waypoints into >>>>>>>> the nearest road. So in place of following waypoint to waypoint you are >>>>>>>> following the road. I noticed the algorithm that makes this possible >>>>>>>> is not >>>>>>>> perfect. For example a turn on a road will sometimes just pretend you >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> not turning however the map is clear. I am use to navigating without >>>>>>>> voice >>>>>>>> instructions because of a Bluetooth limitation with the headset, phone >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Garmin all linked at the same time. Bluetooth does not play well with >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> than two audio channels is what I have learned. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would not take what I wrote as completely correct until someone >>>>>>>> more knowledgeable comes by to correct or confirm what I wrote. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that sums up all that I think I know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God or >>>>>>>> further from God. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 12:13 AM Angelo Serio <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot for your help. >>>>>>>>> I'm not an expert in GPX creation. >>>>>>>>> Can you better explain difference between waypoints and route gpx? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have noticed that some of imported GPX are working other no, >>>>>>>>> most probably you are right. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A further question is related to Attach to the Road >>>>>>>>> Can be set for default or shall be set on every time? >>>>>>>>> I tried but I cannot confirm last request from navigation page >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry to abuse of your help. >>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance >>>>>>>>> Angelo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Il ven 4 ago 2023, 21:31 SonWon <[email protected]> ha scritto: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Angelo, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I did some testing tonight. There are two types of GPX files, one >>>>>>>>>> is a route and the other is waypoints. This is defined when you >>>>>>>>>> create the >>>>>>>>>> GPX file. For a waypoint file you will get micro instructions which >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> annoying when on road. An imported route file also has micro >>>>>>>>>> instructions. >>>>>>>>>> However if you select Attach to The Roads then OsmAnd will provide >>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>> instructions. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Give it a try by creating a short route and use the Simulate >>>>>>>>>> Navigation feature to see how OsmAnd will route as you try different >>>>>>>>>> combinations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In summary, using the Attach to The Roads will clean up the micro >>>>>>>>>> instructions. It isn't perfect though. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God or >>>>>>>>>> further from God. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 7:29 PM Angelo Serio <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> John, >>>>>>>>>>> Following pad is ok. >>>>>>>>>>> Problem if you navigate an imported gpx with turn by turn >>>>>>>>>>> announcement . >>>>>>>>>>> Osmand is giving "describing" you the road and announce any >>>>>>>>>>> simple bend on a strait road . >>>>>>>>>>> Driving crazy and make hard to understand when you really have >>>>>>>>>>> to turn. >>>>>>>>>>> Roundabout: it say slightly turn right and then turn left . No >>>>>>>>>>> graphic indication on screen. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When I start navigation I choose "follow truck" >>>>>>>>>>> May be this is wrong. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ciao >>>>>>>>>>> Angelo >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Il gio 3 ago 2023, 17:59 SonWon <[email protected]> ha scritto: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll be testing this on the road once the weather clears. I >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't see this problem with a test import so it could be the >>>>>>>>>>>> import file >>>>>>>>>>>> is the problem? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> At any moment, you have a choice, that leads you closer to God >>>>>>>>>>>> or further from God. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 2:38 PM Angelo Serio <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everybody, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen this topic has been discussed in the past, but I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if there is any improvement/ good news about >>>>>>>>>>>>> I love the app, but I use a lot of prearranged gpx and follow >>>>>>>>>>>>> them only looking the map on screen isn't the best solution. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Turn by turn navigation doesn't work and Osmand is " >>>>>>>>>>>>> describing" the road versus give real indication >>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope there is a solution to this problem. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I know it's related to Openmaps , but it seems to me that such >>>>>>>>>>>>> a nice program cannot handle turn by turn navigation for imported >>>>>>>>>>>>> gpx >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are other off line navigation app capable to do this, >>>>>>>>>>>>> meaning has is feasible from technical standing point >>>>>>>>>>>>> If anybody has some suggestion or work around to help me it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> highly appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Grazie >>>>>>>>>>>>> Angelo >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "OsmAnd" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/osmand/CAGR7adHbU_XC4Fr92sRNkG9KX%2Bd3jSFYcZXMiU_s4MWMF8wmhg%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> 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