Yep I saw that. I had thought the same too. It was that I was referring to when I said "hack a bitmap". It's not really a good solution or a secure one. And like I said, that people even consider this is a real sign the phone is too limiting but not having shared data.
What I am hoping we will see is the implementation of SQL CE 4 on the phone as a shared resource, including a shared data storage that includes blobs/files, with permissions. Eg. An app can use a password to share files with other apps from the same company. Stores could be by company and/or application, and access to would require initial user prompt etc. It is probably asking a lot, but really the phone needs secure shared data. |-----Original Message----- |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- |[email protected]] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:39 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Nick Randolph, made a post on his blog i think where he used an image to store |data, which I you could access from different apps, |not really a good solution I guess, but maybe OK for some situations | |http://nicksnettravels.builttoroam.com/post/2010/09/29/Windows-Phone-7- |Passing-Data-Between-Applications.aspx | |On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Bill McCarthy <[email protected]> wrote: |> |> Uhm, not really. Isolated storage is good, but doesn't share data across |> apps. There's various scenarios such as crm's or customer service based |> apps where it is desirable to have small apps that share the same core data |> (rather than try to cram every feature into the one app them disabling |> features depending on the user etc). And then there's the entire lack of |> shared documents issue (other than photos and videos). There's absolutely |> no way (that I know of) to do what should be standard "office" kinds of |> tasks like automate the creation of a word document/invoice/quote etc, and |> automatically attach it to an email. The more and more I try to use the |> phone for business the more I think it is designed for stand alone games etc |> or only for web based applications where you do that processing off the |> phone. |> |> And yes I know you can hack a bitmap to store your data. That that is even |> thought of, little alone even considered, is sad. |> |> |> |-----Original Message----- |> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- |> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Kean |> |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:16 PM |> |To: ozDotNet |> |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device |> | |> |With regards to the last one - does IsolatedStorage work for you? |> | |> |-----Original Message----- |> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- |> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |> |Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:18 PM |> |To: 'ozDotNet' |> |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device |> | |> |Yeh there's a few frustrations with the end user SDK. My list includes, |> (but not |> |limited to) is: |> |- no way to get list of contacts from the phone itself |> |- no support for vcard or ical etc (although this surfaces more in the user |> |interface not being able to accept or attach vcard to text messages) |> |- no shared data or files |> | |> |I'm hoping for improvements there. The first one is a real killer if you |> want to |> |write any app that deals with people. |> | |> | |> ||-----Original Message----- |> ||From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- |> ||[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |> ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:01 PM |> ||To: ozDotNet |> ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device |> || |> ||Yeah, they've been saying "it's coming" for years. |> || |> ||Bill, |> || |> ||For ringtones, the support is in the Silverlight App Model, but there |> ||is no |> |way to |> ||access the Ringtones folder in the end user SDK, it's included in the |> |Native SDK. |> ||We've got access to the Capability in the WMAppManifest |> ||"ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD" but as I said, you can't access the folder. |> || |> ||-----Original Message----- |> ||From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- |> ||[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |> ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:55 AM |> ||To: ozDotNet |> ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device |> || |> ||I did see a twitter post (in response to me asking about Zune pass) |> ||that it |> |was |> ||coming, but no timeframe on when. |> || |> ||On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Simon Reed |> ||<[email protected]> |> ||wrote: |> ||> Speaking of Zune is there a timeline for Zune pass or music coming to |> |Aus? |> ||> |> ||> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Bill McCarthy <[email protected]> |> |wrote: |> ||>> |> ||>> Use Zune on the PC for marketplace ;) |> ||>> |> ||>> |-----Original Message----- |> ||>> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- |> ||>> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of Simon Reed |> ||>> |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:48 AM |> ||>> |To: ozDotNet |> ||>> |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device |> ||>> | |> ||>> |Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered content |> ||>> |through Telstra I know Telstra One is unmetered and thought maybe |> ||>> |marketplace |> ||>> could |> ||>> |be the same as you can add the cost of apps to the mobile bill? |> ||>> |(probably |> ||>> just |> ||>> |wishful thinking) |> ||>> | |> ||>> | |> ||>> |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Stephen Price |> ||>> |<[email protected]> |> ||>> |wrote: |> ||>> | |> ||>> | |> ||>> | I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used 45Mb of |> ||>> |my 512Mb |> ||>> | data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit anything |> ||>> |like |> ||>> | pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at home |> ||>> |and |> ||>> at |> ||>> | work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. |> ||>> | |> ||>> | 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook |> ||>> | which is |> ||>> text |> ||>> |mostly. |> ||>> | |> ||>> | |> ||>> | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie |> ||>> |<[email protected]> wrote: |> ||>> | > Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services |> ||>> |and |> ||>> photos |> ||>> |etc? |> ||>> | > do you have any issues with blowing your data limits or |> ||>> |you |> ||>> don't |> ||>> know |> ||>> |yet? |> ||>> | > |> ||>> | > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Price |> ||>> |<[email protected]> |> ||>> | > wrote: |> ||>> | >> |> ||>> | >> I was on Optus with my iphone. I got the shits with them |> ||>> |in the |> ||>> end, |> ||>> | >> the number of times I'd be in the city and it would be |> ||>> | giving |> ||>> me |> ||>> a |> ||>> | >> GPRS connection (no 3G) drove me crazy. |> ||>> | >> |> ||>> | >> Telstra have finally become competitive with their |> ||>> | pricing. My |> ||>> HTC |> ||>> | >> Mozart is costing me $49 a month with nothing to pay for |> ||>> | the |> ||>> phone. |> ||>> | >> Optus was/is $79 a month. I gave my iphone to my daughter |> ||>> |(no credit |> ||>> | >> topups for her for a while she's got a $350 limit). It |> ||>> |was way |> ||>> to |> ||>> much |> ||>> | >> to break the Optus contract and pay out the phone. |> ||>> | >> |> ||>> | >> Love the Mozart, its a nice phone. My only complaint is |> ||>> | there |> ||>> doesnt |> ||>> | >> seem to be a way to make the screen lock after a period |> ||>> | of |> ||>> time. |> ||>> it |> ||>> | >> locks or it doesnt. iphone could lock after 10 mins. |> ||>> | >> |> ||>> | >> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:26 PM, .net noobie |> ||>> |<[email protected]> |> ||>> | >> wrote: |> ||>> | >> > How bad is the Optus network really |> ||>> | >> > |> ||>> | >> > I really only intend on being in a city, never really |> ||>> |going |> ||>> to |> ||>> be in the |> ||>> | >> > country |> ||>> | >> > the optus plans just seem to give alot more then |> ||>> | telstra on |> ||>> the |> ||>> data |> ||>> | >> > side |> ||>> | >> > Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, |> ||>> |LinkedIn, MySpace, |> ||>> | >> > eBay |> ||>> | >> > and Foursquare4 |> ||>> | >> > this could reduce the data your paying for with the |> ||>> |built in |> ||>> features |> ||>> | >> > alot.... |> ||>> | >> > or is all the data going to actually coming from |> ||>> | windows live |> ||>> and |> ||>> | >> > therefore |> ||>> | >> > this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? |> ||>> | >> > |> ||>> | >> > I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe Facebook |> ||>> |sometimes if |> ||>> | >> > someone |> ||>> | >> > sent me a message or something |> ||>> | >> > |> ||>> | >> > Minimum Monthly Spend $79 |> ||>> | >> > Total Monthly Value Up to $9001 |> ||>> | >> > Included Data 3GB2 or Unlimited BIS + 1GB 2 on |> ||>> |BlackBerry handsets |> ||>> | >> > Voicemail deposits & retrievals Unlimited3 |> ||>> | >> > Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, |> ||>> |LinkedIn, MySpace, |> ||>> | >> > eBay |> ||>> | >> > and Foursquare4 |> ||>> | >> > Standard National SMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited |> ||>> | >> > Standard National MMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited |> ||>> | >> > Call rate $0.90 per minute |> ||>> | >> > National Video call rate $1 per minute plus 35c flagfall |> ||>> | >> > International Video call rate $1.50 per minute plus 35c |> ||>> flagfall |> ||>> | >> > 13/1300 call rate $0.90 per minute + $0.35 Flagfall |> ||>> | >> > Connection Fee 35c per call |> ||>> | >> > Excess Data Usage 10c per MB |> ||>> | >> > Connection Fee 35c per call |> ||>> | >> > Excess Data Usage 10c per MB |> ||>> | >> > Inclusions Standard Aust local, national, GSM mobile, |> ||>> | video |> ||>> calls, |> ||>> | >> > voicemail |> ||>> | >> > and 13/1300 calls & standard SMS, MMS to Aust GSM |> ||>> | mobile, and |> ||>> | >> > international |> ||>> | >> > SMS |> ||>> | >> > |> ||>> | >> > 1 Pay the first Business Complete Ultimate plan worth |> ||>> | of |> ||>> included |> ||>> |value |> ||>> | >> > each |> ||>> | >> > billing period after which these services are free up |> ||>> |to a |> ||>> maximum |> ||>> |of |> ||>> | >> > your |> ||>> | >> > selected plans "Included Cap Value" per billing period. |> ||>> | >> > 2 Mobile Internet Data Value: can be used to access |> ||>> |services |> ||>> on |> ||>> |Optus |> ||>> | >> > Zoo, |> ||>> | >> > browsing the Internet from your mobile, as well as |> ||>> |using your mobile as |> ||>> | >> > a |> ||>> | >> > modem. If you elect to take the Business Advantage BMB |> ||>> service |> ||>> |the plans |> ||>> | >> > included mobile data value can be shared. Excess usage |> ||>> charges |> ||>> of |> ||>> |$0.10 |> ||>> | >> > per |> ||>> | >> > MB or part thereof apply (Includes uploads and downloads). |> ||>> Data |> ||>> |usage |> ||>> | >> > will |> ||>> | >> > be counted in kilobytes, where 1024KB = 1MB and |> ||>> |includes both uploads |> ||>> | >> > and |> ||>> | >> > downloads. Any unused data allowance cannot be rolled |> over. |> ||>> |Unlimited |> ||>> | >> > BlackBerry POP3 & Browsing: only applies for POP3 email |> ||>> traffic |> ||>> |and |> ||>> | >> > internet |> ||>> | >> > browsing through the BlackBerry Browser and |> ||>> |specifically |> ||>> excludes |> ||>> |use of |> ||>> | >> > the |> ||>> | >> > Optus Zoo Browser and International Roaming. Customers |> ||>> |must have a |> ||>> | >> > BlackBerry or BlackBerry Connect handset to access this |> ||>> service. |> ||>> | >> > Unlimited |> ||>> | >> > BlackBerry POP3 email and browsing is subject to the |> ||>> | Optus |> ||>> Mobile |> ||>> |Fair |> ||>> | >> > GoTM |> ||>> | >> > policy. The BlackBerry and RIM families of related |> ||>> |marks, |> ||>> images |> ||>> |and |> ||>> | >> > symbols |> ||>> | >> > are the exclusive properties of and trademarks or |> ||>> |registered trademarks |> ||>> | >> > of |> ||>> | >> > Research In Motion Limited used by permission. |> ||>> | >> > 3 Unlimited Voicemail: Applies to Voicemail Deposits |> ||>> |and Retrievals, |> ||>> | >> > diversion charges apply. |> ||>> | >> > 4 Unlimited Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay |> ||>> |& |> ||>> |Foursquare: |> ||>> | >> > Only |> ||>> | >> > available within Australian and requires compatible |> |handset. |> ||>> Use of |> ||>> | >> > these |> ||>> | >> > services is separate and does not count towards your |> ||>> |included "Mobile |> ||>> | >> > Internet Data". Cannot be used with your Optus Mobile |> ||>> Broadband |> ||>> |(OMB) or |> ||>> | >> > Business Mobile Broadband (BMB) device/s and excludes |> ||>> |use of Facebook |> ||>> | >> > SMS or |> ||>> | >> > other social media alert services. These features are |> ||>> |only |> ||>> available |> ||>> |to |> ||>> | >> > you |> ||>> | >> > if your handset is compatible with the service. Optus |> ||>> |Mobile |> ||>> Fair |> ||>> |GoTM |> ||>> | >> > Policy applies. |> ||>> | >> > |> ||>> | >> > |> ||>> | >> > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Nick Randolph |> ||>> |<[email protected]> |> ||>> | >> > wrote: |> ||>> | >> >> Chris, beg to differ on the warranty front - |> ||>> | >> >> http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html |> ||>> | >> >> |> ||>> | >> >> Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - |> ||>> |Windows |> ||>> Phone |> ||>> | >> >> Development |> ||>> | >> >> | +61 412 413 425 |> ||>> | >> >> The information contained in this email is |> ||>> | confidential. If |> ||>> you are |> ||>> |not |> ||>> | >> >> the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use |> ||>> |the information in |> ||>> | >> >> this |> ||>> | >> >> email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the |> ||>> integrity |> ||>> |of any |> ||>> | >> >> emails or attached files. The views or opinions |> ||>> |expressed |> ||>> are |> ||>> the |> ||>> | >> >> author's |> ||>> | >> >> own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built |> ||>> | To |> ||>> Roam. |> ||>> | >> >> |> ||>> | >> >> -----Original Message----- |> ||>> | >> >> From: [email protected] |> ||>> | >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] |> ||>> | >> >> On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |> ||>> | >> >> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM |> ||>> | >> >> To: ozDotNet |> ||>> | >> >> Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device |> ||>> | >> >> |> ||>> | >> >> I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian |> ||>> warranty |> ||>> |etc... |> ||>> | >> >> If |> ||>> | >> >> you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an |> ||>> |AU warranty. |> ||>> | >> >> |> ||>> | >> >> I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if |> ||>> |you want |> ||>> a |> ||>> plan, |> ||>> | >> >> get |> ||>> | >> >> it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones |> ||>> | are |> ||>> unlocked |> ||>> |by |> ||>> | >> >> default. |> ||>> | >> >> |> ||>> | >> >> -----Original Message----- |> ||>> | >> >> From: [email protected] |> ||>> | >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] |> ||>> | >> >> On Behalf Of .net noobie |> ||>> | >> >> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM |> ||>> | >> >> To: ozDotNet |> ||>> | >> >> Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device |> ||>> | >> >> |> ||>> | >> >> Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best |> ||>> |model |> ||>> to |> ||>> get? |> ||>> | >> >> |> ||>> | >> >> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie |> ||>> |<[email protected]> |> ||>> | >> >> wrote: |> ||>> | >> >>> http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone- |> ||>> |categories/smartphones/windows/window |> ||>> | >> >>> s-phone.html?order=price&dir=asc |> ||>> | >> >>> |> ||>> | >> >>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh |> ||>> |<[email protected]> wrote: |> ||>> | >> >>>> Really depends on what network you're wanting to use |> ||>> |it |> ||>> on. |> ||>> If |> ||>> |its |> ||>> | >> >>>> Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the |> ||>> |850Mhz |> ||>> 3G |> ||>> |band, |> ||>> | >> >>>> the |> ||>> | >> >>>> Samsung Focus & the HTC Surround. |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the |> ||>> |2100Mhz & 900Mhz 3G |> ||>> | >> >>>> bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 |> ||>> |launch devices |> ||>> | >> >>>> support |> ||>> | >> >>>> those bands. |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the |> ||>> |Dell |> ||>> Venue |> ||>> |Pro, but |> ||>> | >> >>>> it |> ||>> | >> >>>> isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, |> ||>> |AMOLED screen, |> ||>> | >> >>>> expansive |> ||>> | >> >>>> memory & portrait slider. |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> -----Original Message----- |> ||>> | >> >>>> From: [email protected] |> ||>> | >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of |> ||>> |.net noobie |> ||>> | >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM |> ||>> | >> >>>> To: [email protected] |> ||>> | >> >>>> Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 |> ||>> |Handset/device outright |> ||>> | >> >>>> without |> ||>> | >> >>>> a plan? |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> Telstra are selling them I think but there price is |> ||>> |pretty |> ||>> high |> ||>> |and |> ||>> | >> >>>> only have 2 phones |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright- |> ||>> |buy-prices |> ||>> | >> >>>> -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> What do people think about buying a handset from |> ||>> |overseas |> ||>> to |> ||>> |try and |> ||>> | >> >>>> get |> ||>> | >> >>>> a better price? |> ||>> | >> >>>> e.g. AT&T are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I |> ||>> |don't |> ||>> know |> ||>> |the |> ||>> | >> >>>> details as in it this is on some kind of plan or |> ||>> |just the |> ||>> handset |> ||>> | >> >>>> outright? |> ||>> | >> >>>> or if the handset will be locked to AT&T etc... |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> I like the look of the "Samsung Omnia 7" from Optus |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> the The "HTC Mozart", has a better camera 8 Mega |> ||>> | Pixel |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> what models do people think is best and why? |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> in the US there is a "Samsung Focus" which people |> ||>> | seem to |> ||>> like |> ||>> |a lot, |> ||>> | >> >>>> is |> ||>> | >> >>>> the "Samsung Omnia 7" basically the same/Australian |> ||>> version? |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> Is there going to be any advantage to getting a |> ||>> | phone on a |> ||>> plan, |> ||>> | >> >>>> rather |> ||>> | >> >>>> then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? |> ||>> | >> >>>> e.g. will the phone company have any extra features |> ||>> | I will |> ||>> not |> ||>> |get if |> ||>> | >> >>>> I |> ||>> | >> >>>> just put in my own Sim card? |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> these are/seem to be the options for Australian |> ||>> |handsets |> ||>> | >> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en- |> ||>> |au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=al |> ||>> | >> >>>> l as I said above I like the "Samsung Omnia 7" so |> ||>> |any |> ||>> comments |> ||>> |on why |> ||>> | >> >>>> I should or should not choose a different model |> ||>> |would be |> ||>> great |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>>> thanks noobie |> ||>> | >> >>>> |> ||>> | >> >>> |> ||>> | >> >> |> ||>> | >> > |> ||>> | >> > |> ||>> | > |> ||>> | > |> ||>> | |> ||>> | |> ||>> |> ||>> |> ||> |> ||> |> |> |
