Oh, and that shared data/files area should also include documents that can be attached to emails/opened in office on the phone etc
|-----Original Message----- |From: Bill McCarthy [mailto:[email protected]] |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:47 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Yep I saw that. I had thought the same too. It was that I was referring to when I |said "hack a bitmap". |It's not really a good solution or a secure one. And like I said, that people even |consider this is a real sign the phone is too limiting but not having shared data. | |What I am hoping we will see is the implementation of SQL CE 4 on the phone |as a shared resource, including a shared data storage that includes blobs/files, |with permissions. Eg. An app can use a password to share files with other apps |from the same company. Stores could be by company and/or application, and |access to would require initial user prompt etc. It is probably asking a lot, but |really the phone needs secure shared data. | | ||-----Original Message----- ||From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- ||[email protected]] On Behalf Of .net noobie ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:39 PM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || ||Nick Randolph, made a post on his blog i think where he used an image to |store ||data, which I you could access from different apps, ||not really a good solution I guess, but maybe OK for some situations || ||http://nicksnettravels.builttoroam.com/post/2010/09/29/Windows-Phone-7- ||Passing-Data-Between-Applications.aspx || ||On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Bill McCarthy <[email protected]> wrote: ||> ||> Uhm, not really. Isolated storage is good, but doesn't share data across ||> apps. There's various scenarios such as crm's or customer service based ||> apps where it is desirable to have small apps that share the same core data ||> (rather than try to cram every feature into the one app them disabling ||> features depending on the user etc). And then there's the entire lack of ||> shared documents issue (other than photos and videos). There's absolutely ||> no way (that I know of) to do what should be standard "office" kinds of ||> tasks like automate the creation of a word document/invoice/quote etc, and ||> automatically attach it to an email. The more and more I try to use the ||> phone for business the more I think it is designed for stand alone games etc ||> or only for web based applications where you do that processing off the ||> phone. ||> ||> And yes I know you can hack a bitmap to store your data. That that is even ||> thought of, little alone even considered, is sad. ||> ||> ||> |-----Original Message----- ||> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- ||> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Kean ||> |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:16 PM ||> |To: ozDotNet ||> |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device ||> | ||> |With regards to the last one - does IsolatedStorage work for you? ||> | ||> |-----Original Message----- ||> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- ||> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy ||> |Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:18 PM ||> |To: 'ozDotNet' ||> |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device ||> | ||> |Yeh there's a few frustrations with the end user SDK. My list includes, ||> (but not ||> |limited to) is: ||> |- no way to get list of contacts from the phone itself ||> |- no support for vcard or ical etc (although this surfaces more in the user ||> |interface not being able to accept or attach vcard to text messages) ||> |- no shared data or files ||> | ||> |I'm hoping for improvements there. The first one is a real killer if you ||> want to ||> |write any app that deals with people. ||> | ||> | ||> ||-----Original Message----- ||> ||From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- ||> ||[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh ||> ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:01 PM ||> ||To: ozDotNet ||> ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device ||> || ||> ||Yeah, they've been saying "it's coming" for years. ||> || ||> ||Bill, ||> || ||> ||For ringtones, the support is in the Silverlight App Model, but there ||> ||is no ||> |way to ||> ||access the Ringtones folder in the end user SDK, it's included in the ||> |Native SDK. ||> ||We've got access to the Capability in the WMAppManifest ||> ||"ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD" but as I said, you can't access the folder. ||> || ||> ||-----Original Message----- ||> ||From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- ||> ||[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Price ||> ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:55 AM ||> ||To: ozDotNet ||> ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device ||> || ||> ||I did see a twitter post (in response to me asking about Zune pass) ||> ||that it ||> |was ||> ||coming, but no timeframe on when. ||> || ||> ||On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Simon Reed ||> ||<[email protected]> ||> ||wrote: ||> ||> Speaking of Zune is there a timeline for Zune pass or music coming to ||> |Aus? ||> ||> ||> ||> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Bill McCarthy <[email protected]> ||> |wrote: ||> ||>> ||> ||>> Use Zune on the PC for marketplace ;) ||> ||>> ||> ||>> |-----Original Message----- ||> ||>> |From: [email protected] [mailto:ozdotnet- ||> ||>> |[email protected]] On Behalf Of Simon Reed ||> ||>> |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:48 AM ||> ||>> |To: ozDotNet ||> ||>> |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device ||> ||>> | ||> ||>> |Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered content ||> ||>> |through Telstra I know Telstra One is unmetered and thought maybe ||> ||>> |marketplace ||> ||>> could ||> ||>> |be the same as you can add the cost of apps to the mobile bill? ||> ||>> |(probably ||> ||>> just ||> ||>> |wishful thinking) ||> ||>> | ||> ||>> | ||> ||>> |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Stephen Price ||> ||>> |<[email protected]> ||> ||>> |wrote: ||> ||>> | ||> ||>> | ||> ||>> | I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used 45Mb of ||> ||>> |my 512Mb ||> ||>> | data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit anything ||> ||>> |like ||> ||>> | pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at home ||> ||>> |and ||> ||>> at ||> ||>> | work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. ||> ||>> | ||> ||>> | 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook ||> ||>> | which is ||> ||>> text ||> ||>> |mostly. ||> ||>> | ||> ||>> | ||> ||>> | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie ||> ||>> |<[email protected]> wrote: ||> ||>> | > Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the services ||> ||>> |and ||> ||>> photos ||> ||>> |etc? ||> ||>> | > do you have any issues with blowing your data limits or ||> ||>> |you ||> ||>> don't ||> ||>> know ||> ||>> |yet? ||> ||>> | > ||> ||>> | > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Price ||> ||>> |<[email protected]> ||> ||>> | > wrote: ||> ||>> | >> ||> ||>> | >> I was on Optus with my iphone. I got the shits with them ||> ||>> |in the ||> ||>> end, ||> ||>> | >> the number of times I'd be in the city and it would be ||> ||>> | giving ||> ||>> me ||> ||>> a ||> ||>> | >> GPRS connection (no 3G) drove me crazy. ||> ||>> | >> ||> ||>> | >> Telstra have finally become competitive with their ||> ||>> | pricing. My ||> ||>> HTC ||> ||>> | >> Mozart is costing me $49 a month with nothing to pay for ||> ||>> | the ||> ||>> phone. ||> ||>> | >> Optus was/is $79 a month. I gave my iphone to my daughter ||> ||>> |(no credit ||> ||>> | >> topups for her for a while she's got a $350 limit). It ||> ||>> |was way ||> ||>> to ||> ||>> much ||> ||>> | >> to break the Optus contract and pay out the phone. ||> ||>> | >> ||> ||>> | >> Love the Mozart, its a nice phone. My only complaint is ||> ||>> | there ||> ||>> doesnt ||> ||>> | >> seem to be a way to make the screen lock after a period ||> ||>> | of ||> ||>> time. ||> ||>> it ||> ||>> | >> locks or it doesnt. iphone could lock after 10 mins. ||> ||>> | >> ||> ||>> | >> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:26 PM, .net noobie ||> ||>> |<[email protected]> ||> ||>> | >> wrote: ||> ||>> | >> > How bad is the Optus network really ||> ||>> | >> > ||> ||>> | >> > I really only intend on being in a city, never really ||> ||>> |going ||> ||>> to ||> ||>> be in the ||> ||>> | >> > country ||> ||>> | >> > the optus plans just seem to give alot more then ||> ||>> | telstra on ||> ||>> the ||> ||>> data ||> ||>> | >> > side ||> ||>> | >> > Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, ||> ||>> |LinkedIn, MySpace, ||> ||>> | >> > eBay ||> ||>> | >> > and Foursquare4 ||> ||>> | >> > this could reduce the data your paying for with the ||> ||>> |built in ||> ||>> features ||> ||>> | >> > alot.... ||> ||>> | >> > or is all the data going to actually coming from ||> ||>> | windows live ||> ||>> and ||> ||>> | >> > therefore ||> ||>> | >> > this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? ||> ||>> | >> > ||> ||>> | >> > I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe Facebook ||> ||>> |sometimes if ||> ||>> | >> > someone ||> ||>> | >> > sent me a message or something ||> ||>> | >> > ||> ||>> | >> > Minimum Monthly Spend $79 ||> ||>> | >> > Total Monthly Value Up to $9001 ||> ||>> | >> > Included Data 3GB2 or Unlimited BIS + 1GB 2 on ||> ||>> |BlackBerry handsets ||> ||>> | >> > Voicemail deposits & retrievals Unlimited3 ||> ||>> | >> > Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, Twitter, ||> ||>> |LinkedIn, MySpace, ||> ||>> | >> > eBay ||> ||>> | >> > and Foursquare4 ||> ||>> | >> > Standard National SMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited ||> ||>> | >> > Standard National MMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited ||> ||>> | >> > Call rate $0.90 per minute ||> ||>> | >> > National Video call rate $1 per minute plus 35c flagfall ||> ||>> | >> > International Video call rate $1.50 per minute plus 35c ||> ||>> flagfall ||> ||>> | >> > 13/1300 call rate $0.90 per minute + $0.35 Flagfall ||> ||>> | >> > Connection Fee 35c per call ||> ||>> | >> > Excess Data Usage 10c per MB ||> ||>> | >> > Connection Fee 35c per call ||> ||>> | >> > Excess Data Usage 10c per MB ||> ||>> | >> > Inclusions Standard Aust local, national, GSM mobile, ||> ||>> | video ||> ||>> calls, ||> ||>> | >> > voicemail ||> ||>> | >> > and 13/1300 calls & standard SMS, MMS to Aust GSM ||> ||>> | mobile, and ||> ||>> | >> > international ||> ||>> | >> > SMS ||> ||>> | >> > ||> ||>> | >> > 1 Pay the first Business Complete Ultimate plan worth ||> ||>> | of ||> ||>> included ||> ||>> |value ||> ||>> | >> > each ||> ||>> | >> > billing period after which these services are free up ||> ||>> |to a ||> ||>> maximum ||> ||>> |of ||> ||>> | >> > your ||> ||>> | >> > selected plans "Included Cap Value" per billing period. ||> ||>> | >> > 2 Mobile Internet Data Value: can be used to access ||> ||>> |services ||> ||>> on ||> ||>> |Optus ||> ||>> | >> > Zoo, ||> ||>> | >> > browsing the Internet from your mobile, as well as ||> ||>> |using your mobile as ||> ||>> | >> > a ||> ||>> | >> > modem. If you elect to take the Business Advantage BMB ||> ||>> service ||> ||>> |the plans ||> ||>> | >> > included mobile data value can be shared. Excess usage ||> ||>> charges ||> ||>> of ||> ||>> |$0.10 ||> ||>> | >> > per ||> ||>> | >> > MB or part thereof apply (Includes uploads and downloads). ||> ||>> Data ||> ||>> |usage ||> ||>> | >> > will ||> ||>> | >> > be counted in kilobytes, where 1024KB = 1MB and ||> ||>> |includes both uploads ||> ||>> | >> > and ||> ||>> | >> > downloads. Any unused data allowance cannot be rolled ||> over. ||> ||>> |Unlimited ||> ||>> | >> > BlackBerry POP3 & Browsing: only applies for POP3 email ||> ||>> traffic ||> ||>> |and ||> ||>> | >> > internet ||> ||>> | >> > browsing through the BlackBerry Browser and ||> ||>> |specifically ||> ||>> excludes ||> ||>> |use of ||> ||>> | >> > the ||> ||>> | >> > Optus Zoo Browser and International Roaming. Customers ||> ||>> |must have a ||> ||>> | >> > BlackBerry or BlackBerry Connect handset to access this ||> ||>> service. ||> ||>> | >> > Unlimited ||> ||>> | >> > BlackBerry POP3 email and browsing is subject to the ||> ||>> | Optus ||> ||>> Mobile ||> ||>> |Fair ||> ||>> | >> > GoTM ||> ||>> | >> > policy. The BlackBerry and RIM families of related ||> ||>> |marks, ||> ||>> images ||> ||>> |and ||> ||>> | >> > symbols ||> ||>> | >> > are the exclusive properties of and trademarks or ||> ||>> |registered trademarks ||> ||>> | >> > of ||> ||>> | >> > Research In Motion Limited used by permission. ||> ||>> | >> > 3 Unlimited Voicemail: Applies to Voicemail Deposits ||> ||>> |and Retrievals, ||> ||>> | >> > diversion charges apply. ||> ||>> | >> > 4 Unlimited Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, eBay ||> ||>> |& ||> ||>> |Foursquare: ||> ||>> | >> > Only ||> ||>> | >> > available within Australian and requires compatible ||> |handset. ||> ||>> Use of ||> ||>> | >> > these ||> ||>> | >> > services is separate and does not count towards your ||> ||>> |included "Mobile ||> ||>> | >> > Internet Data". Cannot be used with your Optus Mobile ||> ||>> Broadband ||> ||>> |(OMB) or ||> ||>> | >> > Business Mobile Broadband (BMB) device/s and excludes ||> ||>> |use of Facebook ||> ||>> | >> > SMS or ||> ||>> | >> > other social media alert services. These features are ||> ||>> |only ||> ||>> available ||> ||>> |to ||> ||>> | >> > you ||> ||>> | >> > if your handset is compatible with the service. Optus ||> ||>> |Mobile ||> ||>> Fair ||> ||>> |GoTM ||> ||>> | >> > Policy applies. ||> ||>> | >> > ||> ||>> | >> > ||> ||>> | >> > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Nick Randolph ||> ||>> |<[email protected]> ||> ||>> | >> > wrote: ||> ||>> | >> >> Chris, beg to differ on the warranty front - ||> ||>> | >> >> http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html ||> ||>> | >> >> ||> ||>> | >> >> Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - ||> ||>> |Windows ||> ||>> Phone ||> ||>> | >> >> Development ||> ||>> | >> >> | +61 412 413 425 ||> ||>> | >> >> The information contained in this email is ||> ||>> | confidential. If ||> ||>> you are ||> ||>> |not ||> ||>> | >> >> the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use ||> ||>> |the information in ||> ||>> | >> >> this ||> ||>> | >> >> email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the ||> ||>> integrity ||> ||>> |of any ||> ||>> | >> >> emails or attached files. The views or opinions ||> ||>> |expressed ||> ||>> are ||> ||>> the ||> ||>> | >> >> author's ||> ||>> | >> >> own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built ||> ||>> | To ||> ||>> Roam. ||> ||>> | >> >> ||> ||>> | >> >> -----Original Message----- ||> ||>> | >> >> From: [email protected] ||> ||>> | >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] ||> ||>> | >> >> On Behalf Of Chris Walsh ||> ||>> | >> >> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM ||> ||>> | >> >> To: ozDotNet ||> ||>> | >> >> Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device ||> ||>> | >> >> ||> ||>> | >> >> I am, but really depends on if you want an Australian ||> ||>> warranty ||> ||>> |etc... ||> ||>> | >> >> If ||> ||>> | >> >> you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't have an ||> ||>> |AU warranty. ||> ||>> | >> >> ||> ||>> | >> >> I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or if ||> ||>> |you want ||> ||>> a ||> ||>> plan, ||> ||>> | >> >> get ||> ||>> | >> >> it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the phones ||> ||>> | are ||> ||>> unlocked ||> ||>> |by ||> ||>> | >> >> default. ||> ||>> | >> >> ||> ||>> | >> >> -----Original Message----- ||> ||>> | >> >> From: [email protected] ||> ||>> | >> >> [mailto:[email protected]] ||> ||>> | >> >> On Behalf Of .net noobie ||> ||>> | >> >> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM ||> ||>> | >> >> To: ozDotNet ||> ||>> | >> >> Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device ||> ||>> | >> >> ||> ||>> | >> >> Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is best ||> ||>> |model ||> ||>> to ||> ||>> get? ||> ||>> | >> >> ||> ||>> | >> >> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie ||> ||>> |<[email protected]> ||> ||>> | >> >> wrote: ||> ||>> | >> >>> http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone- ||> ||>> |categories/smartphones/windows/window ||> ||>> | >> >>> s-phone.html?order=price&dir=asc ||> ||>> | >> >>> ||> ||>> | >> >>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh ||> ||>> |<[email protected]> wrote: ||> ||>> | >> >>>> Really depends on what network you're wanting to use ||> ||>> |it ||> ||>> on. ||> ||>> If ||> ||>> |its ||> ||>> | >> >>>> Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use the ||> ||>> |850Mhz ||> ||>> 3G ||> ||>> |band, ||> ||>> | >> >>>> the ||> ||>> | >> >>>> Samsung Focus & the HTC Surround. ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the ||> ||>> |2100Mhz & 900Mhz 3G ||> ||>> | >> >>>> bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of the 9 ||> ||>> |launch devices ||> ||>> | >> >>>> support ||> ||>> | >> >>>> those bands. ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is the ||> ||>> |Dell ||> ||>> Venue ||> ||>> |Pro, but ||> ||>> | >> >>>> it ||> ||>> | >> >>>> isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla Glass, ||> ||>> |AMOLED screen, ||> ||>> | >> >>>> expansive ||> ||>> | >> >>>> memory & portrait slider. ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> -----Original Message----- ||> ||>> | >> >>>> From: [email protected] ||> ||>> | >> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ||> ||>> |.net noobie ||> ||>> | >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM ||> ||>> | >> >>>> To: [email protected] ||> ||>> | >> >>>> Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 ||> ||>> |Handset/device outright ||> ||>> | >> >>>> without ||> ||>> | >> >>>> a plan? ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> Telstra are selling them I think but there price is ||> ||>> |pretty ||> ||>> high ||> ||>> |and ||> ||>> | >> >>>> only have 2 phones ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright- ||> ||>> |buy-prices ||> ||>> | >> >>>> -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> What do people think about buying a handset from ||> ||>> |overseas ||> ||>> to ||> ||>> |try and ||> ||>> | >> >>>> get ||> ||>> | >> >>>> a better price? ||> ||>> | >> >>>> e.g. AT&T are selling phones for 199.99 USD, but I ||> ||>> |don't ||> ||>> know ||> ||>> |the ||> ||>> | >> >>>> details as in it this is on some kind of plan or ||> ||>> |just the ||> ||>> handset ||> ||>> | >> >>>> outright? ||> ||>> | >> >>>> or if the handset will be locked to AT&T etc... ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> I like the look of the "Samsung Omnia 7" from Optus ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> the The "HTC Mozart", has a better camera 8 Mega ||> ||>> | Pixel ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> what models do people think is best and why? ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> in the US there is a "Samsung Focus" which people ||> ||>> | seem to ||> ||>> like ||> ||>> |a lot, ||> ||>> | >> >>>> is ||> ||>> | >> >>>> the "Samsung Omnia 7" basically the same/Australian ||> ||>> version? ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> Is there going to be any advantage to getting a ||> ||>> | phone on a ||> ||>> plan, ||> ||>> | >> >>>> rather ||> ||>> | >> >>>> then getting a handset and putting in my own Sim card? ||> ||>> | >> >>>> e.g. will the phone company have any extra features ||> ||>> | I will ||> ||>> not ||> ||>> |get if ||> ||>> | >> >>>> I ||> ||>> | >> >>>> just put in my own Sim card? ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> these are/seem to be the options for Australian ||> ||>> |handsets ||> ||>> | >> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en- ||> ||>> |au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=al ||> ||>> | >> >>>> l as I said above I like the "Samsung Omnia 7" so ||> ||>> |any ||> ||>> comments ||> ||>> |on why ||> ||>> | >> >>>> I should or should not choose a different model ||> ||>> |would be ||> ||>> great ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>>> thanks noobie ||> ||>> | >> >>>> ||> ||>> | >> >>> ||> ||>> | >> >> ||> ||>> | >> > ||> ||>> | >> > ||> ||>> | > ||> ||>> | > ||> ||>> | ||> ||>> | ||> ||>> ||> ||>> ||> ||> ||> ||> ||> ||> ||
