Reading the jargon in this short thread so far still fills me with dread
and fear. I think people who are using (and writing) JS frameworks are to
close to their subject to see the bigger picture of what's happening. From
a historical, technical and creative perspective, the whole JS ecosystem is
like a virus that people have caught that causes hysteria. It's a gigantic
wobbling Turboencabulator <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboencabulator>
propped up by a half-baked scripting language a guy wrote as a hobby. If
the time comes when I have to put JS on my CV or write JS anything to make
a living , then it will be the nail in my retirement coffin.

Some things I want to see before I die are: discovery of extra-terrestrial
life, the (peaceful) collapse of the North Korean dictatorship and the
extinction of JavaScript.

*GK*

On 24 August 2017 at 19:04, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yep I resisted for a long time and stayed with winforms lol but am now
> forced to look at this stuff.
>
> On Thursday, 24 August 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After doing all the research I chose angular for my current enterprise
>> application. I had to choose a technology that could withstand an assault
>> from people who are still in a  circa 2000 mindset. It's non trivial but
>> will do everything I need it to. There's so much to learn just to get going
>> on any of the frameworks.
>>
>> Part of the decision to go with angular is also the proliferation of
>> angular 1 apps out there, which was chosen pretty much for the same
>> reasons. There will still be years of support required for Angular 1 apps,
>> and much work converting them to angular 2, which is really the only path
>> available for those apps.
>>
>> When I first decided to learn angular it was because there were no jobs
>> at the time for my traditional Microsoft tech stack. At the time it freaked
>> me out as I recognised that the world had moved on and I had to quickly get
>> on board or be dead in the water. I analysed the market, figured out where
>> the jobs were and viola, the rest is history.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24 Aug 2017 6:39 PM, "Tom Rutter" <therut...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep I did notice that in the core 2.0 update. Angular 2/4 never really
>>> felt right to me. Aurelia felt much better. I'll have to take a look at Vue
>>> now.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 24 August 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interestingly, dot net core 2.0, which was released a couple of weeks
>>>> ago, only supports react,react+redux and angular 2/4 in its spa templates.
>>>> They will work against pure dot net core as well as dot net framework. Both
>>>> Vue and react are view only and require a dog's breakfast of technologies
>>>> to make up the stack, hence the inclusion of redux, which is now part of
>>>> Facebooks offering. Angular is the most complete/enterprise ready of all
>>>> the frameworks, but it has its own impediments, predominantly being it's
>>>> stupid syntax. Vue is out performing both angular and react at the moment
>>>> on github. But stars can be rigged, so I'm prepared to wait a bit longer
>>>> before taking a more serious look.
>>>>
>>>> T.
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Aug 2017 5:29 PM, "Greg Keogh" <gfke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/which-javascript-framework-sh
>>>>>> ould-i-choose-enterprise-tony-wright
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice summary, but it seems to confirm my fears that the JS ecosystem
>>>>> is still devolving into more fragments. I mean, oh lord, not another one
>>>>> ... Vue.js -- *GK*
>>>>>
>>>>

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