The problem is, it's still very much a niche player. It won't get serious look in in the enterprise predominantly because of that. That's not to say it isn't an excellent choice. To become a dominant player, you have start somewhere. That somewhere is really getting traction in the startup market. Unfortunately, that's dominated at the moment by Vue and React.
On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:08 AM, David Gardiner <da...@gardiner.net.au> wrote: > A quick check of https://github.com/aurelia/framework/commits/master > shows that it is very much alive and well and Rob is still active there. > > Also, interesting to note that Aurelia does work with ASP.NET Core. True, > it isn't currently one of the 'out of the box' templates like Angular or > React but it is supported via the Microsoft.AspNetCore.SpaTemplates > package. > > eg. > > dotnet new --install "Microsoft.AspNetCore.SpaTemplates::*" > > (See https://github.com/EisenbergEffect/aspnetcore-aurelia-build-2017 for > more info). > > I've been watching it for ages (having liked some of Rob's previous > efforts in Caliburn Micro when I was doing Windows Phone apps) and just > recently have had a chance to kick the tyres building a simple 'build > status dashboard'. I like what I see and it was very easy to get up and > running. > > David > > > > On 24 August 2017 at 19:37, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I agree with you Corneliu the angular 2 syntax makes you go "what the > hell were they thinking!" especially given that angular 1 was far easier, > far more intuitive to use. But you do get used to it. > >> Perhaps Rob Eisenberg is doing something awesome for Microsoft and we'll >> see some magic there. >> >> If Aurelia had the backing of Microsoft I'm sure it would be a different >> story, as that's the kind of argument they want to hear in the enterprise >> (angular backed by google, react backed by Facebook, Aurelia backed >> by...Rob Eisenberg. Hmm. One person? Risky, they say.). >> >> There is nothing inherently wrong with Aurelia, it just doesn't have the >> traction, and traction is most of the game in the enterprise. And react and >> Vue seem to get all the startup work. But if productivity is the key it is >> a legitimate choice of you don't have a panel of enterprise architects to >> convince. >> >> >> >> >> On 24 Aug 2017 7:48 PM, "Corneliu I. Tusnea" <corne...@acorns.com.au> >> wrote: >> >> I'm one of the lovers of Aurelia (and I know Wal also on this list uses >> Aurelia). >> >> For me Aurelia is has one of the best designs possible. Clean and easy to >> use. Everything is simply obvious. >> With Aurelia I never had to think "how do you do this or that". It's all >> simple and natural. >> DI is beautiful, binding is obvious, templates are easy to read and the >> html extensions like `repeat.for`, `.bind` or `.call' are easy to remember >> and use. >> When I look at Angular2 my eyes hurt: *[hidden]* , **ngFor, #field.* I >> mean, seriously, Angular 2 has an abuse of special characters. >> >> With Aurelia, once you learn to build custom attributes and custom >> elements you exponentially grow productivity. >> >> That's my choice :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Reading the jargon in this short thread so far still fills me with dread >>> and fear. I think people who are using (and writing) JS frameworks are to >>> close to their subject to see the bigger picture of what's happening. From >>> a historical, technical and creative perspective, the whole JS ecosystem is >>> like a virus that people have caught that causes hysteria. It's a gigantic >>> wobbling Turboencabulator >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turboencabulator> propped up by a >>> half-baked scripting language a guy wrote as a hobby. If the time comes >>> when I have to put JS on my CV or write JS anything to make a living , >>> then it will be the nail in my retirement coffin. >>> >>> Some things I want to see before I die are: discovery of >>> extra-terrestrial life, the (peaceful) collapse of the North Korean >>> dictatorship and the extinction of JavaScript. >>> >>> *GK* >>> >>> On 24 August 2017 at 19:04, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yep I resisted for a long time and stayed with winforms lol but am now >>>> forced to look at this stuff. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 24 August 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> After doing all the research I chose angular for my current enterprise >>>>> application. I had to choose a technology that could withstand an assault >>>>> from people who are still in a circa 2000 mindset. It's non trivial but >>>>> will do everything I need it to. There's so much to learn just to get >>>>> going >>>>> on any of the frameworks. >>>>> >>>>> Part of the decision to go with angular is also the proliferation of >>>>> angular 1 apps out there, which was chosen pretty much for the same >>>>> reasons. There will still be years of support required for Angular 1 apps, >>>>> and much work converting them to angular 2, which is really the only path >>>>> available for those apps. >>>>> >>>>> When I first decided to learn angular it was because there were no >>>>> jobs at the time for my traditional Microsoft tech stack. At the time it >>>>> freaked me out as I recognised that the world had moved on and I had to >>>>> quickly get on board or be dead in the water. I analysed the market, >>>>> figured out where the jobs were and viola, the rest is history. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 24 Aug 2017 6:39 PM, "Tom Rutter" <therut...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yep I did notice that in the core 2.0 update. Angular 2/4 never >>>>>> really felt right to me. Aurelia felt much better. I'll have to take a >>>>>> look >>>>>> at Vue now. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, 24 August 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Interestingly, dot net core 2.0, which was released a couple of >>>>>>> weeks ago, only supports react,react+redux and angular 2/4 in its spa >>>>>>> templates. They will work against pure dot net core as well as dot net >>>>>>> framework. Both Vue and react are view only and require a dog's >>>>>>> breakfast >>>>>>> of technologies to make up the stack, hence the inclusion of redux, >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> is now part of Facebooks offering. Angular is the most >>>>>>> complete/enterprise >>>>>>> ready of all the frameworks, but it has its own impediments, >>>>>>> predominantly >>>>>>> being it's stupid syntax. Vue is out performing both angular and react >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> the moment on github. But stars can be rigged, so I'm prepared to wait a >>>>>>> bit longer before taking a more serious look. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> T. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24 Aug 2017 5:29 PM, "Greg Keogh" <gfke...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/which-javascript-framework-sh >>>>>>>>> ould-i-choose-enterprise-tony-wright >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nice summary, but it seems to confirm my fears that the JS >>>>>>>> ecosystem is still devolving into more fragments. I mean, oh lord, not >>>>>>>> another one ... Vue.js -- *GK* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >> >> >
